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Stuntflyer got a reaction from GioMun in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
Square tuck
I wanted to give this a try at least once before making use of the laser cut versions. #1. I copied the angle from the laser cut piece onto the joined strips. #2. The frame was made and set parallel with the angled line. #3. The curves were done with the spindle sander and disc sander along with a bit of hand work. #4. Almost ready to place on the ship. I Still needed to taper the frame.
The most difficult part was trying to get symmetry between the two sides. It's not perfect, but certainly close enough. I was kicking myself when I noticed that the top of the port side square tuck is 1/64" lower at the stern post compared to the other one. Of course this won't be seen once the moulding is on. I left the outer area of the frames without any tapering. There is a tiny filler plank that goes between the tuck and the first strake. I will wait until that's on the ship, so I can sand that area all at the same time.
Anyway only one shot at it for this result.
Mike
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from shipcarpenter in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
Square tuck
I wanted to give this a try at least once before making use of the laser cut versions. #1. I copied the angle from the laser cut piece onto the joined strips. #2. The frame was made and set parallel with the angled line. #3. The curves were done with the spindle sander and disc sander along with a bit of hand work. #4. Almost ready to place on the ship. I Still needed to taper the frame.
The most difficult part was trying to get symmetry between the two sides. It's not perfect, but certainly close enough. I was kicking myself when I noticed that the top of the port side square tuck is 1/64" lower at the stern post compared to the other one. Of course this won't be seen once the moulding is on. I left the outer area of the frames without any tapering. There is a tiny filler plank that goes between the tuck and the first strake. I will wait until that's on the ship, so I can sand that area all at the same time.
Anyway only one shot at it for this result.
Mike
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from yvesvidal in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
Square tuck
I wanted to give this a try at least once before making use of the laser cut versions. #1. I copied the angle from the laser cut piece onto the joined strips. #2. The frame was made and set parallel with the angled line. #3. The curves were done with the spindle sander and disc sander along with a bit of hand work. #4. Almost ready to place on the ship. I Still needed to taper the frame.
The most difficult part was trying to get symmetry between the two sides. It's not perfect, but certainly close enough. I was kicking myself when I noticed that the top of the port side square tuck is 1/64" lower at the stern post compared to the other one. Of course this won't be seen once the moulding is on. I left the outer area of the frames without any tapering. There is a tiny filler plank that goes between the tuck and the first strake. I will wait until that's on the ship, so I can sand that area all at the same time.
Anyway only one shot at it for this result.
Mike
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from Trussben in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
Square tuck
I wanted to give this a try at least once before making use of the laser cut versions. #1. I copied the angle from the laser cut piece onto the joined strips. #2. The frame was made and set parallel with the angled line. #3. The curves were done with the spindle sander and disc sander along with a bit of hand work. #4. Almost ready to place on the ship. I Still needed to taper the frame.
The most difficult part was trying to get symmetry between the two sides. It's not perfect, but certainly close enough. I was kicking myself when I noticed that the top of the port side square tuck is 1/64" lower at the stern post compared to the other one. Of course this won't be seen once the moulding is on. I left the outer area of the frames without any tapering. There is a tiny filler plank that goes between the tuck and the first strake. I will wait until that's on the ship, so I can sand that area all at the same time.
Anyway only one shot at it for this result.
Mike
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from Mike Y in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
Square tuck
I wanted to give this a try at least once before making use of the laser cut versions. #1. I copied the angle from the laser cut piece onto the joined strips. #2. The frame was made and set parallel with the angled line. #3. The curves were done with the spindle sander and disc sander along with a bit of hand work. #4. Almost ready to place on the ship. I Still needed to taper the frame.
The most difficult part was trying to get symmetry between the two sides. It's not perfect, but certainly close enough. I was kicking myself when I noticed that the top of the port side square tuck is 1/64" lower at the stern post compared to the other one. Of course this won't be seen once the moulding is on. I left the outer area of the frames without any tapering. There is a tiny filler plank that goes between the tuck and the first strake. I will wait until that's on the ship, so I can sand that area all at the same time.
Anyway only one shot at it for this result.
Mike
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from KARAVOKIRIS in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
Square tuck
I wanted to give this a try at least once before making use of the laser cut versions. #1. I copied the angle from the laser cut piece onto the joined strips. #2. The frame was made and set parallel with the angled line. #3. The curves were done with the spindle sander and disc sander along with a bit of hand work. #4. Almost ready to place on the ship. I Still needed to taper the frame.
The most difficult part was trying to get symmetry between the two sides. It's not perfect, but certainly close enough. I was kicking myself when I noticed that the top of the port side square tuck is 1/64" lower at the stern post compared to the other one. Of course this won't be seen once the moulding is on. I left the outer area of the frames without any tapering. There is a tiny filler plank that goes between the tuck and the first strake. I will wait until that's on the ship, so I can sand that area all at the same time.
Anyway only one shot at it for this result.
Mike
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from GrandpaPhil in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
Square tuck
I wanted to give this a try at least once before making use of the laser cut versions. #1. I copied the angle from the laser cut piece onto the joined strips. #2. The frame was made and set parallel with the angled line. #3. The curves were done with the spindle sander and disc sander along with a bit of hand work. #4. Almost ready to place on the ship. I Still needed to taper the frame.
The most difficult part was trying to get symmetry between the two sides. It's not perfect, but certainly close enough. I was kicking myself when I noticed that the top of the port side square tuck is 1/64" lower at the stern post compared to the other one. Of course this won't be seen once the moulding is on. I left the outer area of the frames without any tapering. There is a tiny filler plank that goes between the tuck and the first strake. I will wait until that's on the ship, so I can sand that area all at the same time.
Anyway only one shot at it for this result.
Mike
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from yvesvidal in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
As you know, Chuck faired the hull with the top jigs in place. After supporting the hull with some planking, he was able to remove the jigs and add the fairing caps for both shape and support. Through hands on experience he knows that this approach will work out nicely. I wasn't so sure that it would work out the same for me. I was concerned that after removing the top timber jigs, I would find myself having to fair the hull a lot more. This would be quite difficult with the planking already on the hull. With that in mind, I decided to take a different approach.
I added a chock between each frame where they would be covered by planking. Adding the chocks meant that I could pull the laser cut top timber jigs (before doing any planking) while maintaining support for the frames. After adding the fairing caps, I could fair the hull more accurately at the shear. Generally this turned out to be true at least for me. There were some areas at the shear that needed more work, but an inch or so below the shear the fairing work was good. Yes, a few hours of extra work that turned out well in the end.
Notice that there is still enough room for the .025" cap rail to sit just below the top of the transom.
There was an enormous amount of work needed to fair these aft cants. It took me the better part of three days. Remember this is boxwood, not AYC. Anyway that's done now.😁
Mike
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from yvesvidal in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
Window sills
I will admit that these were quite tricky to make. Different angles everywhere and some trial and error was needed in order to get them just right. I probably had 3 or 4 throwaways before getting the ones you see here.
Stern frames
In order to make these, I sandwiched two roughly cut frames together with some Elmer's School Glue and then adhered the plan drawing for final shaping. This was easy enough to do with the help of the spindle sander, disk sander and scroll saw.
Transom
On top of the shear there will be a 5/32" fairing cap and a 1/4" cap rail that sits on top of that. The two pieces will add a total of about 3/32" more height to the top of the shear. I wouldn't want the cap rail to protrude above the top edge of the transom. With that in mind, I decided to fair the quarter deck shear before adding the transom. This way I could check the clearance before adding the transom. It was really just a matter of getting that small triangular piece taken down to the right height while fairing the shear.
I added the 5/32" fairing cap for the quarter deck and faired the outer hull using the cap as a guide.
Mike
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from yvesvidal in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
Framing (final pieces)
I have finally finished all of the framing. About nine months to do them all including about 160 milled scarph joints. It certainly feels like a milestone. Though mostly done, I still need to do some minor cleanup fairing, especially where the cants transition into the deadwood.
FYI: Here is the fit that I was shooting for when adding the last frame, #29.
Mike
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from yvesvidal in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
I was hoping for a little more progress this week. The problem was that I started nit picking.
One of the things that I've been wanting to do from the beginning was to avoid any color matching with paint for areas that might not have turned out as expected. Typically that would be something like an open butt joint or where two different wood types join together thus changing the uniformity of the look.
Looking at this closeup photo from my previous post, it's not hard to see that the AYC quarter panel is a lighter color than the end grain of the wing transom which is made from boxwood.
The lower section of the quarter panel for the most part is covered by planking. However, some of the lighter AYC color will be seen after the planking is completed. Knowing that, I decided to remove some of the AYC from the quarter piece and replace it with boxwood. Actually, it was quite easy to do and I was able to complete the work in less than an hour. See photo below.
Fashion piece
The fashion piece was cut from 5/32" sheet. The tricky part was getting a nice flow into the bearding line and a good joint along the deadwood and wing transom. I ended up having to make two of these in order to get the one I liked. I left the top of the fashion piece standing proud. Also, I left some of the paper template attached which could be used as a sanding template. I recommend doing this rather than trying to get a perfect fit everywhere. It's hard to explain as to why, just that it's easier to fit the piece and fair the top into the wing transom afterwards. If I end up back into nit picking mode, I might do a bit more work at the bearding line transition.
Also, note that the boxwood filler is in and mostly faired.
Mike
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from FrankWouts in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
Thank you all for the kind words, and for all the “Likes”. Very much appreciated.
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from yvesvidal in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
Wing transom and quarter panels
The wing transom is made from 5/16" sheet. Using the template from the plan sheet, I cut out the basic shape and then milled the four angled notches. The templates for the remaining curve shape (forming that parallelogram shape) are on the plan sheet as well. I just copied what Chuck has described in his build log on page 8, post #228. The wing transom was pinned with 24 gauge wire and glued to the deadwood. The pinning was done to make it easier to set the height of each end and fore/aft positioning without having to worry about it sliding back and forth at the same time.
After the wing transom was installed I started work on the two quarter panels which attach to the wing transom. What is important to note is that the cant frames should be fully faired prior to installing the quarter panels. I worked on this until I got a smooth transition between the last aft cant and the quarter panel. Once that was done, I glued the panels in place.
Mike
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from yvesvidal in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!
I'm finally over a bad cold which prevented me from fairing those aft cant frames sooner. With so much wood to remove, I decided to stay with the adhesive backed 80 grit sandpaper until final cleanup. No doubt AYC would have been much easier to deal with than boxwood. Still, no complaints!
Mike
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from FrankWouts in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
I've been moving right along on the aft cant frames. Just like the fore cants, there is a long span between the upper and lower attachments which results in some flexing. To stiffen things up I placed chocks between the frames. This will help greatly to keep the frames from breaking loose while fairing. The chocks were placed in the area between upper wale and the lower planking strake. They will be completely hidden.
Mike
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from FrankWouts in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
Brian, There will be quite a bit of interior details. I have not seen the plans for that, so I can't say exactly what details will be on the ship.
Erik, I do try and get everything right when I install a frame. Using the machinist squares makes it rather easy to accomplish this. Something I like to do is to adjust the foot of frame to sit flush into the deadwood with no gaps showing. I'll use the disc sander for this, hand turned. None of this is difficult, just takes more time.
With so many parts and small details to look at it's hard to say just how much of this will be noticed after the ship is finished.
Mike
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from TomShipModel in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
Cant frames (aft)
Framing continues with the install of aft cant #24. This is basically a repeat of what was done with the fore cants. Just less work overall. Anyway, here you go.
Mike
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from FrankWouts in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
Greg, thanks! Not knowing exactly how it was going to fair, I had a real sense of relief when it turned out okay.
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from FrankWouts in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
Thanks, Chuck!
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from GioMun in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
In spite of a mild case of vertigo, I managed to fair most of the port side frames. I purposely left the last 2 or 3 aft most frames partially faired. I recommend doing that in order to avoid any chance of over fairing when there are no additional frames to guide you. So, I will wait until I have some aft cant frames installed before I do any more fairing.
I shot these photos to give you an idea of just how much wood needs to be removed. Judging from this, I am sure that the cants will require even more work.
Mike
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from FrankWouts in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
The last of the square frames were installed over the weekend. A little over six months for all the frames so far. Now the fun begins. Time to grease the elbows and start fairing. I'll be working mostly aft from the vertical support jig which is attached to the build board. Also I made tick marks on of a few of the cant frames that are in need of a bit more work.
Mike
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from FrankWouts in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
Oh, something I almost forgot to mention. A while back Tom (TBlack) asked me a question about the angle gauge on the tilt table attachment for the mill. He said> "Interesting setup, but you do have to trust the angle gauge to be accurate Any way to double check the angle?" See post 46 & 48.
At the time I said that I trusted the gauge. As it turns out, Tom was on to something. The gauge is accurate as long as the pointer is positioned perfectly. That is not always possible and in fact it's a bit fiddly to work with. I discovered that my eyes could do a better job by using the uncut area of the milling bit to sight the lines on the frame drawing.
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from Seventynet in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
Square frames (pt. 2)
Hi guys,
Moving ahead I decided to cut out the remaining square frames from sheet and mill all 140 scarph joints. A real exercise in patience, like doing guns.
Mike
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from FrankWouts in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
druxey, thanks for the tip!
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Stuntflyer got a reaction from FrankWouts in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF
Bollard timbers
More progress with the completion of the bollard timbers. I scratched these with the ongoing feeling that they might not work out for one reason or another. I did have to pull one along with the P1 filler piece, but luckily the glue hadn't set. What I found was that as meaty as these are at 9/32" that the wood would still develop a slight curl when using PVA. There was no good way to clamp pieces together. Generally I like to have some time to maneuver which the PVA allows for. In the end I went with slow cure CA.
The paper template seen in the photo was stiffened with card stock. I flipped it back over the cant frames when I faired the curve of the top timbers, as seen from above. I can't stress enough how important it is to use it. It really does take the guesswork out of getting each side of the hull symmetrical.
There is always more fairing to do though I think I'm close.
Mike