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The deck clamp was built up from two layers of pine strips, much the same as the hull's battens. The sub deck would be 3/16" luan plywood with strips glued down on top for the visible decking, so the deck clamp was set down so the finished deck would be flush with the sheer. The subdeck was cut from the ply and fitted Then the positions of the hatches and deck furniture marked on it to determine where the deck beams would be needed. At this point I only had two sources for the ship's spar deck layout; Chapelle's drawing of Constellation from The History of the American Sailing Navy, and model plans of the ship from A.J.Fisher which the people restoring the actual ship told me they were using. The Fisher drawings are of the ship in 1941 and very crude. Chapelle's drawing says they are from the original drawings, but the 1854 drawing of the spar deck was missing from the National Archives. The major differences being the main hatch in 1941 was shaped like a capital I and the galley hatch had a house on it - neither of which are on Chapelle's drawing. I opted to go with Chapelle. Later, I found more information that vindicated my decision. Down in the hull, straight beams were installed to carry the equipment decks where the radio equipment and sail controls would be mounted. I also decided to step the masts on these decks. The deck beams were laid out to form mast partners and hatch framing. Each beam was cambered and notched to hook under the deck clamp. The subdeck would be epoxied on and sandwhich the beams and the deck clamp all together. Temporary mast steps were put in to get the mast partners properly aligned, and the subdeck was sawn into 2 inch wide strips so it could conform to both the beams camber and the boat's sheer.
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Prepping to Glass - or how not to build a hull. April 2009 The plug, now "the hull." needed to be prepped in order to be glassed. The card-stock quarter galleries were tossed; the stem knee shaped and tapered; and some of the brown paper detailing removed. The sheer was trued-up and every thing was lightly sanded. I used the polyester resin available at the local hardware superstore, and laid up one half at a time with 4oz cloth. After one side set-up, it was trimmed and the other side laid up. The next day that was trimmed, the whole hull sanded, and another coat of resin rolled on: Once that was set and sanded all the forms were carefully removed. The hull was flimsy with only the battens, paper tape, and some very fine glass cloth: Glass matting was laid in, one side at a time. Extra resin was poured in while the hull laid on it's side, to try and fill the spaces between the battens. This probably would have been better done with Water Putty, or some other filler that would have filled the space more solidly: I now had a solid fiberglass hull as the matting made it very rigid. This is NOT a good way to make a hull for an RC boat. The original plan, before I was distracted by Mowill's book, was the way I should have gone from the start; wood planking on forms, covered with glass and resined inside. If you're following this with the idea of doing one yourself, learn from my mistakes - look at how I built the hull for my Macedonian. Next: Deck Framing
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While I considered what to do about the plug, I found some very nice white cedar while getting something else at the lumber yard, so I began making the lower masts. Since I had no plans for Constellation's spars specifically, I used several sources for the details, including Spars and Rigging From Nautical Routine, 1849 and Biddlecomb's Art of Rigging, but the best source I found for this 1850's warship was Luce's Textbook of Seamanship which has some very detailed drawings of the rigging of this period. After drawing the spars full-scale, I cut the cedar to the rough dimensions on a table saw: I then marked out the details and the taper: Shaved the taper, then marked the spar to make it 8-sided: The masts were banded with the same brown paper tape the plug was made from, the hounds and the front fish were made and attached: The cross-trees and trestle-trees for the lower tops were made along with a rough set of mast caps: The topmasts were made from the same cedar and in the same manner as the lower masts. Some temporary mast steps were placed inside the plug, a stand made from 3/8" plywood to hold the model up, and some paint went on the lower masts. By this time I was convinced that glassing the plug and making it the model's hull was the best course to take... Next: Prepping to glass
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Work Resumes So, life went and changed things around a bit. My wife and I went different ways and the farm was sold. I moved into an apartment and the workshop and the plug went into storage. In the late spring of 2008 I bought a house with a 12 x 29 shed that became my workshop, subsequently known as "The Damn Yankee Workshop." With the shop set up, I began to work on the plug in earnest. Those details needed for the mold still had to be added and the quarter galleries were a big part of that, so that's where I started. These things didn't need to be very structural as the entire plug would be destroyed in removing it from the mold. In the mean time I visited the restored vessel and learned some things. The bulwark on the spar deck was actually planked up hammock stanchions. When the ship was being "restored" as a frigate, they took off the hammock irons and tossed them into the bilges, the restoration recovered all but one and reinstalled them. This changed the shape of the hull for me. Instead of "solid" bulwarks continuing smoothly up to the cap rail, the hull stopped with a cap on top of the waterways, and had these stanchions mounted on top of that cap and covered with wainscoting. So, I cut the plug down to the lower level at the top of the waterways. The whole idea of the plug being destroyed when the mold was made began to nag at me. There was a chance, a very good chance in my opinion, that the mold might not turn out and the whole thing would be a disaster and a major waste of time and effort. Next: A Course Change
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Much more regarding the details of why I chose this ship to build; history of the ship; and other items of interest can be found on my web page for this project. This "log" is to replace the one that had been posted here before the forum crashed and lost a lot of data. Beginning Having the plans already in the size I wanted saved a lot of time getting started, and I used the Model Ship Builder article as a guide at first. A bit of scrap particle board from a remodeling project was used as a building board. The forms were cut from scrap wood paneling, and the keel was some 1/2" scrap birch plywood from a cabinet I built. This was all stood up by the end of March, 1999. Then I discovered a book; William Mowll's Building a Working Model Warship:HMS Warrior, 1860. Mowll covered his forms with battens instead of planking and covered that with gummed brown paper packing tape over which he applied masking tape to create a plug for making a fiberglass mold. The masking tape was to give the texture of Warrior’s cast iron plating. I happened to have a large roll of the brown tape, and got the idea of using this method to make a plug and cast 3 hulls in glass fiber. I didn't need the masking tape as Constellation wasn't iron plated, I would use the brown tape to impart planking details to the mold. So, moving forward with this plan, I battened the forms with scrap white pine strips... ...and proceeded to cover that with the brown paper tape creating what would be a plug for a fiber-glass mold. The tape shrinks a bit when it dries and can be sanded. Once the form was covered diagonally I began applying a second layer in the form of strips to represent planking, gunport lids, and even copper bottom plating - all this detail would be picked up by the mold and imparted to the glass hull when it was laid up. The plug still needed more details, like quarter galleries, but none of the drawings available gave these details, so I had to go digging. In the meantime we sold the house and bought a small farm where we kept some horses and I commuted 65 miles one-way to work. The plug went into the barn, covered in plastic, and wasn't touched from 2003 till 2008. Next: Work resumes.
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Inspired by a large RC model of the Rattlesnake featured in an issue of Model Ship Builder magazine, I looked around for a subject to built and decided to built the ship in my own back yard, the sloop of war Constellation tied up in Baltimore's Inner Harbor since the mid 1950's. Some video of Rattlesnake Constellation was a sloop-of-war, of 22 guns, designed by John Lenthal, and built in 1854 by Gosport Navy Yard at Norfolk, Virginia; the last US warship designed and built to operate under sail alone. For a long time she was believed by many to be the old frigate of 1797, rebuilt and moderized, and that debate has raged in the maritime history community for decades. Her lines and sail plan were acquired from the National Archives where I got to handle the actual hand drawn documents. I decided to build her as she appeared in a portrait by deSimone when she was in Naples in 1856 and still a new ship. Her lines were drawn in 1:36 scale, which was perfect, giving a model: Beam: 13-5/8" (34.713 cm) Length over the rig: 96" (243.84 cm) Width over the rig: 36" (91.44 cm) ~ Main yard w/o stuns'l booms. Length on deck: 61" (154.94 cm) Length between perpendiculars: 59-1/8" (150.178 cm) Draft, without ballast keel: 7" (17.78 cm) With 3-1/2" ballast keel: 10-1/2" (27.94 cm) Height bottom of keel to main truck, without ballast keel: 65" (165.1 cm) With ballast keel: 69" (175.26 cm) Sail Area: 2,807.01 square inches in 17 sails (19.5 sf, 18,109.7 scm, 1.8 sqm) This log will cover my work on this model since it began in 1999 up to where it is now. Author's Note: This is a log of how I am building this model, not a guide to how a model such as this ought to be built. It's full of fits and starts, changes of mind, errors, re-do's, more error's, a few mistakes; and somehow, despite all this, it seems to be becoming a working, sailing model that actually looks something like it's namesake. The director of the actual ship recognized it on first sight - I take that as a good sign! If you're considering taking on a project like this, please, please, don't let this build log deter you - it's not nearly as difficult as I make it seem. Just take away from it that which helps you along, and ignore the rest.
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R/C ...WHAT TYPE OF GLUE SHOULD BE USED???
JerryTodd replied to Cap'n Rat Fink's topic in RC Kits & Scratch building
I use Tightbond III for wood-to-wood joints, and epoxy everywhere else. -
BTWY: You should resin the inside thoroughly before attaching anything inside the hull. Deck clamp, mast steps, framing, etc can all be epoxied in after, but if resined after attachment, there's a place for water to get in. If water gets in, even a small amount, it will swell the wood causing joints to open, the glass to separate, and make more places for water to get in. Holes in the hull, for prop shafts and the like, ought to be over sized, filled with epoxy and redrilled to the correct smaller size to prevent any wood from being exposed. You might consider painting bare wood with Ethylene Glycol (automotive antifreeze - not Propylene Glycol). Glycol soaks into the wood and crystallizes which doesn't allow in water or mold which causes rot. All my models get this treatment. Allow it dry thoroughly and then resin it. If you look close you'll see the wood has little sparkles in it because of the crystals. A lot of wood objects recovered from shipwrecks are preserved this way it keeps out water without shrinkage. Be very sure to follow the safety precautions on the container, I had a neighbor whose dog lapped up a puddle of it from a leaking bottle and it later died as a result - they thought it was rabid until it was tested.
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These boats didn't rely on firepower, but on speed and the ability to sail close to the wind. Most were armed with 6 pounders, or a single 18 on a pivot amidships, and maybe a swivel or so on the rail. They carried large crews not to board and fight, but to send onto captured merchant vessels to take back in, each prize crew depleting the schooner's crew - the more men they carried, the longer they could stay out and capture prizes.
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That's a lot of thick ribs in a hull that even at that size, doesn't offer a lot of space. With the outside glassed and the inside given a coat or two of resin, you really only need a couple of those. I kept one to brace the dagger-board trunk, and one for the motor mount. The thing that really made the hull solid was the deck clamp and beams. What ever you decide to do, remember to make it possible for water to get through fore and aft. Water WILL get in, if only a little, and you want drain holes in any bulkhead so it all goes to the lowest point where it can be pumped and dried out - otherwise you get mold in there and that gets really disgusting really fast. It'll be a very hard hull to reach into and clean. Consider too keeping the hull as light as you can. That gets more weight onto the removable ballast which is deeper and stiffens the boat more, and allows you to trim her easier with internal ballast. It also makes handling the model a easier if the 20-30 pounds of sailing weight can be shed when she's not sailing.
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I'm sorry, but every time I look at the lines of a French frigate the rap song "I like Big Butts" pops into my head. I can't figure out why. Happy Birthday
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Mock up and operate the main brace to see if it fouls anything without the bumpkin - though I would wager she had them, I haven't seen an original plan of an American war ship that didn't have them right into the 1870's. There's other things "missing" from the Hull model, most notably the ship's wheel - I wouldn't take so minor a detail as written in stone.
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This seemed the quickest way to get the spar dimensions to you...
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Um, there's 3 heads'ls; forestays'l, jib, and flying jib. You'll need to make the main tops'l, fore t'gallant, and flying jib removable except when the air's are light. You might be able to shorten the foot on the forestays'l and jib to minimize the overlap. A sliding sheet would work well in that case; that is the sheet runs through the clew grommet and back to the servo in a loop. A pair of knots or beads on the sheet on either side of the sail grab the clew and sheet the sail home when the servo's nearly at full travel. Using this, you shouldn't need booms on any heads'l. There were several historic privateers the size of Pride (90' on deck) armed in various ways; a swivel gun amidships could be a 12, 18, or 24 pounder, or even a 32 pounder Carronade. 4 and 6 pounders in the broadside was most common - remember these boats were meant to intimidate merchantmen, not go toe-to-toe with men-o-war - although a few did. You ought to look up Tom Gilmer's "Pride of Baltimore" ISBN: 87742-309-1 and Howard Chappel's "The Baltimore Clipper" ISBN: 0-51202484 (I have a paperback version of this one you're welcome too if you'd like it) These books go into the history of the type, how they were built, armed, and used. One thing to remember if you're looking at my model, either of the actual Prides, or any "recreated Baltimore Clipper" that may be sailing about now-a-days; NONE OF THEM were/are built, rigged, or fitted out like a Baltimore Clipper of the early 1800's - they were/are all modern vessels with modern adaptations; for instance: They all have wire standing rigging which will be much thinner, noticeably so, than natural rope rigging was on the originals. They have cabin trucks all over the deck for crew and passengers when the originals would have had little or nothing in that regard. Many, including the first Pride, had "roll-bars" made of steel tubing on the taffrail for the boom to sit on - none of the original boats would have had such things. The point is, are you modeling a Baltimore Clipper or a modern recreation? I'm doing the latter, I think you're after the former. You should keep this in mind in line with the level of detail you're after and the simplifications needed for a working model. BTW: Can you open an Excel spreadsheet or should I put this spar table in a PDF?
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Working on tabulating Pride's spar dimentions for you; ie, I went to the other house and got the plans out.
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By 1800 speaders were in use as sprits'l were going away. The Chesapeake schooners, or Baltimore Clippers, had long nearly horizontal bowsprits that couldn't mount a sprits'l - no room below it. A dolphin striker and spreaders were standard fare. Netting on the other hand, didn't start showing up until the 1840's or so. The original Pride didn't start out with bowsprit nettings, but got them after soon after her first cruise down island for the safety of the crew. That low long bow sprit on that low almost sheerless hull was a dangerous place to be in a seaway.
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Qwerty, you'll find that despite the large scale of the model (1:20) there's not going to be a lot of room inside. The depth of the hold is minimal with all that drag to the keel. Back aft there's almost no place to install steering gear. Because of that, in my 1:20 Pride of Baltimore I built the hull much the same way and left out the frames. Two were cut down and reinserted as a motor mount and bracing for the daggerboard trunk. A deck clamp was glued in set down for the thickness of the plywood deck plus the sheet bass deck planking. This clamp was the same pine I planked the hull with. The deck beams were installed and additional pieces were glued in between the beams. In effect, the clamp is laminatedand the beams are morticed in. The actual main hatch on Pride I wasn't large enough to be practical for an RC sailing model - the battery wouldn't even fit through the scale hatch, much less my hand. The model's hatch is about 8 x 15 inches - about the same as that on my 1:36 scale Constellation model. below the deck clamp and beams in place on Pride. Part of the hull form is bracing the daggerboard trunk for the removable keel and external ballast; another part is the motormount at the bottom of the photo near the purple pencil sharpener below the main access hatch is much larger than the scale main hatch so I can actually access something The plywood deck is another matter. You have to bend it in two planes; sheer and camber, something plywood doesn't like to do. I cut groves about an inch apart and half the thickness of the plywood on the underside of the subdeck to allow it to take to the camber. The subdeck has since been divided into sections because the "plumbing" for routing the control lines, sheets, steering tackle, etc, has to be installed as the deck goes on. This way I don't have to have it all in place at once but can do each section and make adjustments as I go. There's tubes for routing the main sheet, fores'l sheets, running main stays, heads'l sheets, tops'l braces, etc below to the servos and winches that will control the rig and rudder.
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