thomaslambo Posted September 5, 2015 #31 Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) Hi Harry, Very nice job indeed.... Edited September 5, 2015 by thomaslambo Quote Boyd Current Build - HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina - Scale1:48
hof00 Posted September 6, 2015 Author #32 Posted September 6, 2015 Thanks Boyd, Early days.... I am thinking that I'll drill the ends/Butts of the planks and use my Hearth Brush Bristles to represent the Nails then sand the deck down. The alternative that I am "Toying" with is to prick the ends/Butts with a pair of dividers and use my Tech Drawing Pens, (Yup, these are old but good.), to place a dot of Black Ink into the depressions left by the dividers, then sand the Deck.... Thoughts? Anyway, while I'm thinking of my options, it gives me more time to research and study wot has been left out of the Kit, or, I should perhaps be more positive and say what I can add in terms of fittings, etc. Cheers....HOF. thomaslambo 1 Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson
DaveRow Posted September 11, 2015 #33 Posted September 11, 2015 HOF, What no treenails(pegs) over the deck.? The build is looking good mate. Dave R thomaslambo 1 Quote Dave R Measure twice, cut once. Current Build: HMB Endeavour 1768 (In the shipyard being constructed)
hof00 Posted September 12, 2015 Author #34 Posted September 12, 2015 Thanks Dave, I am currently drilling the Decking, Butts and no Butts. There are Tree Nails, I am using Bristles off a Hearth Brush. glued into the afore mentioned holes. (The Bristles have to be "Graded and are Black in color.) Have used this method before and it's come out o.k. Once all Tree Nails are in place, I'll carefully sand the Decking to get rid of the Sanding Sealer/excess Aliphatic Resin. Lots of holes, lots of Bristles. Cheers....HOF. thomaslambo 1 Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson
hof00 Posted September 12, 2015 Author #35 Posted September 12, 2015 (edited) Dear All, A few pictures of my "Mark/Drill/Bristle/Glue" Tree Nails on a partially sanded Poop Deck. (There's always a madness to the method.) Had to give it a "Wee" bit of a sand to see how it would look. More work tomorrow. Have a great Weekend!! Cheers....HOF. Edited September 12, 2015 by hof00 thomaslambo, DaveRow and Captain Slog 3 Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson
DaveRow Posted September 18, 2015 #36 Posted September 18, 2015 HOF, The decking has come up a treat. Nice looking treenail system. Dave R Quote Dave R Measure twice, cut once. Current Build: HMB Endeavour 1768 (In the shipyard being constructed)
hof00 Posted September 18, 2015 Author #37 Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) Thanks Dave, My "Sacrificial" Hearth Brush Bristle method has worked well in the past. Quarter Deck this weekend. (Or should I say "Well Deck? I always thought that the Well Deck was on 20th Century Steamers, i.e. Titanic.) Looking through the instructions last night, it is not clear what thickness of Wood to use for the Waterways/ Bulwarks, parts list suggest 0.5mm X 5.0mm for both. I can understand for Waterways but seems the Bulwarks are vertical, (Edge on), and I am thinking that this would be rather flimsy to say the least. Anyway, I have some time to think about this while I finish the Tree Nail stuff. Have milled some Walnut Strips for the For and Aft "Well Deck" Steps, but again, these won't go on until the Decks are Tree Nailed and sanded. (I'll do extra detail also in the Aft Step, Manholes, etc. (Looks like this won't be an OOB Build.) Cheers....HOF. Edited September 18, 2015 by hof00 thomaslambo 1 Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson
hof00 Posted September 19, 2015 Author #38 Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) O.k. some pictures of today's efforts, and the "Sacrificial" Hearth Brush "Bristle" Tree Nail method. Not perfect but good enough.... Just have to be really careful not to cut through the Deck!! Have a great weekend!! Edited September 19, 2015 by hof00 DaveRow, Captain Slog, dashi and 2 others 5 Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson
hof00 Posted September 27, 2015 Author #39 Posted September 27, 2015 O.k. a bit of progress. Deck Steps, Laminated same with Bulwarks and tapered. Easier than trying to bend 5.00mm X 5.00mm Walnut. Still early days.... Unsure if I'll Paint, I do like the color of the different Wood, Plenty of time to decide.... Cabbie, Captain Slog and thomaslambo 3 Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson
hof00 Posted November 28, 2015 Author #40 Posted November 28, 2015 Progress Stuff.... DaveRow, thomaslambo and Captain Slog 3 Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson
hof00 Posted November 28, 2015 Author #41 Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) I don't know how they ever made "Headway" with a Bow Like that!! Anyway, 1st Planking, Taper, Soak and Steam.... Seems to work o.k. No problems thus far. Bit of "Red Devil" Bog and sanding but a good foundation for the 0.5mm Walnut. Edited November 28, 2015 by hof00 Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson
thomaslambo Posted November 28, 2015 #42 Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) Hi Harry, Funny, as I anticipate planking the Bounty I asked myself the same question about the Bow Your planking is looking great so far...should be a beautiful base for the second layer Edited November 28, 2015 by thomaslambo hof00 1 Quote Boyd Current Build - HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina - Scale1:48
hof00 Posted November 29, 2015 Author #43 Posted November 29, 2015 Thanks Paul, My first "Bluff" bow.... My other ship models have all had "Pointy" bows. Not too difficult. Cheers....HOF. Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson
dashi Posted December 25, 2015 #44 Posted December 25, 2015 Thank you all for your replies!! Hi have a couple of A/L ships already complete, Bluenose II and Mare Nostrum and the Keel ha always been fitted after the 1st planking. I guess I'm looking for an alternative method? I have read somewhere that the Keel is fitted prior to the 1st planking, maybe with a Bearding Line cut at the join of the two Keels. The False Keel is nice and straight!! :-) I bought the "Anatomy of the Ship - Endeavor" a few months ago off Abe Books. The Bulkheads needed a little "judicious" work with a Flat File to get a nice fit on the False Keel. A little disappointing that the holes for the Mast locations were not pre-cut, never mind.... I took the measurements off the plan with some calipers and transferred to the Ply Decks. Just need to also mark positions of the Bulkheads on to the decks. So, at Present, I have not gone "Wild" with the glue, just dry-fitted at this stage. (Measure twice, cut/glue once. :-)) If I am to fit the Keel first before planking and cut a rebate. it will need to be done before the Bulkheads/Decks are fitted. (Hence the question.) Cheers and Regards, Harry. Hi Harry, Looking good. Just found this so I know this is a bit late, but I've just started the Caldercraft Endeavour. I cut the bearding then fitted the keel then cut a rabbet prior to the fitting the bulkheads. I am now starting the second layer and having a rabbet with bearding has allowed for a nice fit and finish of the garboard thus far. Cheers dashicat DaveRow and thomaslambo 2 Quote Current Build:HM Bark Endeavour, scale 1:64, Caldercraft static kit (Build Log)
hof00 Posted December 26, 2015 Author #45 Posted December 26, 2015 Thanks Dashcat, Thinking of doing this also before the Keel is fitted. No work on mine for a couple of weeks, Christmas and all that stuff. Got a few days before I head back to work so am looking towards some progress tomorrow. If I am lucky, (And have the patience), I am hoping to complete the first layer of planking in 2 - 3 days. Cheers....HOF. thomaslambo 1 Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson
Cabbie Posted January 5, 2016 #46 Posted January 5, 2016 Good Morning Harry You must be getting close to finishing the first layer. I have been thinking there is more angst in the first layer, than the second. Because it sets up how the 2nd layer will look, making sure it has no lumps, and bumps. and that it has a good shape and lines. What sort of timber has the kit provided for the 2nd layer? Cheers Chris Quote HM Cutter Mermaid 1817 HMB Endeavour 1768 by Cabbie - Artesania Latina - 1:60 - Kit Fiddle Every action has a consequence
hof00 Posted January 6, 2016 Author #47 Posted January 6, 2016 Hi Chris, Yup, the first layer is a bit of a pain.... I have, at present, more planks soaking in the Bath. (Lime) I'll be using a bit of "Red Devil" pine coloured filler to smooth out the contours of the Hull before attempting the second planking which is described as African Walnut, 0.5mm to answer your question. I really like the Red Devil as it dries fast and sands beautifully and Aliphatic resin bonds well over the top of this stuff. Cheers....HOF. Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson
Cabbie Posted January 6, 2016 #48 Posted January 6, 2016 Are you putting joins in the planks, I found it easier to fix in place and soak shorter lengths, which i did by standing them up in a tall jar. I was lucky with the pine i used first up, it bent easily even without soaking. The filler sounds similar to something i use which is called "Builders Bog" except that it is pink. But sticks well to almost anything. The African walnut will be a challenge, any stuff like that always seems to be stiff and brittle. Anyway back to work, Good Planking, Chris Quote HM Cutter Mermaid 1817 HMB Endeavour 1768 by Cabbie - Artesania Latina - 1:60 - Kit Fiddle Every action has a consequence
hof00 Posted January 6, 2016 Author #49 Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) Hi Chap, Look for "Red Devil" it is an Australian product. "Bog" I think would make things a little difficult to affix the second layer of planking and I am unsure if Aliphatic resin would adhere. How about fixing the Keel, Etc? Have you considered using Bamboo Toothpicks after drilling the appropriate holes? (Just a thought.) I have got a few more planks on today, For the planking below the Bilges, I am using full width Planks where I can, speeds up the job a bit and so far, the Wood is complying with my wishes!! I am applying the planking "Wet," (Damp), works for me although some say that the planking will shrink, no issues thus far and it works for me. Should be complete fist Planking tomorrow or Friday. Yup, saw your planking in shorter lengths, if it does the job, all good and your build is certainly coming along very nicely!! This is my first "Bluff" bow, am more used to "Pointy" Bow Ships. I'll see how this goes and think about another Clipper. (I have Mamoli Flying Cloud waiting for my attentions.) How's the Ship "Terminology" coming along? Cheers....HOF. Edited January 6, 2016 by hof00 Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson
markjay Posted January 6, 2016 #50 Posted January 6, 2016 Harry, I'm going to pull up a chair if you don't mind. Quote Mark Phoenix, AZ Current builds; Previous builds, in rough order of execution; Shipjack, Peterbrough Canoe, Flying Fish, Half Moon, Britannia racing sloop, Whale boat, Bluenose, Picket boat, Viking longboat, Atlantic, Fair American, Mary Taylor, half hull Enterprise, Hacchoro, HMS Fly, Khufu Solar Boat. On the shelf; Royal Barge, Jefferson Davis.
hof00 Posted January 6, 2016 Author #51 Posted January 6, 2016 No worries Chap!! How's the Cutty coming along? Did you find the Bulkhead stuff? Cheers....HOF. Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson
Cabbie Posted January 6, 2016 #52 Posted January 6, 2016 Hi Harry This type of bog dries up nice and hard and the wood glue sticks as good as sticking to wood. I have seen that a toothpick can be used as a treenail, and i will put some in after the keel is screwed on. That is good about the 1st planks, soon you will be having fun doing the 2nd ones. As for the "terminology" thing that will come very slowly, I was not a ship person at all before I started here. You're not helping now, though, talking about "aliphatic" glues, I use white glue for wood, yellow glue for mdf, and melamine glue for melamine. And now a bigger user of CA glues Too many new words will overload the brain and cause a meltdown. Now off to work on the wales. Thanks Chris Quote HM Cutter Mermaid 1817 HMB Endeavour 1768 by Cabbie - Artesania Latina - 1:60 - Kit Fiddle Every action has a consequence
hof00 Posted January 6, 2016 Author #53 Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) Cheers Ears!! Aliphatic Resin is sandable Waterproof PVA. (Exterior PVA?) (Not a "Ship" person either, hate the sea but a compulsion to learn about the components.) My dad was supposedly a French Sailor who jumped Ship in Invercargill, knocked up my Birth Mother who adopted me out. (Too much info?) I guess that I have something in the blood. No meltdown chap, not worth it!! I wish you well also with your second Planking!! I reckon that I have about another 8 - 10 planks for the first cover inc. Garboard Strake, (One at the Centre of he Keel. ) Looks a bit "Bumpy" but once filler applied and sanded it will look much better and a good grounding for the second round. BTW, I like how you have already cut a rebate in your planking to accept Channels. Good Planning!! I'll be doing this at some stage, miniature router bit on the Dremel. Enjoy....HOF. Edited January 6, 2016 by hof00 Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson
Cabbie Posted January 6, 2016 #54 Posted January 6, 2016 Yeh I know that stuff, use it quite a bit. That sounds as though it made for a difficult start, but can't be helped. Where we come from is part of what makes us, just go with the flow and make use of it. Not my idea to leave a groove for the channels, I think i pinched it from Kiwiron, not sure. My apologies in advance if it was from someone else. 2 wales planks attached, back to do more. Cheers Chris Quote HM Cutter Mermaid 1817 HMB Endeavour 1768 by Cabbie - Artesania Latina - 1:60 - Kit Fiddle Every action has a consequence
Falco-_-De Posted January 6, 2016 #55 Posted January 6, 2016 She's sure a nice build Will follow with greatinterest Michael Quote
hof00 Posted January 6, 2016 Author #56 Posted January 6, 2016 Thanks Michael, Getting into the "Groove" with the Endeavour. There will be light at the end of the Tunnel soon enough. Cheers....HOF. Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson
Cabbie Posted January 7, 2016 #57 Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) "Groove" That's an ideal word for it. That's why i tried to do my 1st planks in a proper manner, to get my mind into gear and thinking the right way. It certainly helps if you can into a "groove" and get a nice bit of work done. Hooroo Chris Edited January 7, 2016 by Cabbie Quote HM Cutter Mermaid 1817 HMB Endeavour 1768 by Cabbie - Artesania Latina - 1:60 - Kit Fiddle Every action has a consequence
hof00 Posted January 8, 2016 Author #58 Posted January 8, 2016 O.K. First planking almost complete. Not at all happy with the Bow below the "Bilges planking effort, wished I'd included a couple of Balsa Filler Blocks, never mind, it is what it is and I have applied a fist coat of filler over the offending piece. More to follow after the first lot is sanded and dried. To give an idea, about 2.5mm - 3.0mm of thickness of filler is required between the Bow and 1st Bulkhead aft. I'm sure it will come out in the wash. Cheers....HOF. Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson
hof00 Posted January 30, 2016 Author #59 Posted January 30, 2016 (edited) Hi All, Some progress stuff.... Completed 1st Planking, not without it's issues. I felt that I should have used Balsa Filler Blocks in the Bow, found that the Rudder Trunk was a bit of a challenge and the most interesting issue was that of the Transom/Gallery. I did read in another version, (Don't remember where), that these overhung each side by a couple of mm, so, being a little "Compulsive" (Sometimes) I sanded them flush with the Planking. Wrong!! Had to use filler to bring this back to the proper profile. Have used a bit of filler also at the Bow, but, I don't believe that there is any crime committed here as the 2nd Planking will cover this quite nicely. Keel attached with Aliphatic Resin and round Toothpicks. The Hull is nice and smooth although it might not look it. I'll look at the second Planking tomorrow. Not perfect but I am happy with it thus far. Edited January 30, 2016 by hof00 Cabbie, Captain Slog and dashi 3 Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson
Cabbie Posted January 30, 2016 #60 Posted January 30, 2016 Howdy Hof Thanks for looking at my build. As I was saying to Dashicat, she certainly is a beast to plank. Oh well they say the brain needs to be kept exercised and doing this does it. Yours is looking in good shape, there is a lot of work in the 1st planking getting the right. Too many things to think about. Hooroo Chris Quote HM Cutter Mermaid 1817 HMB Endeavour 1768 by Cabbie - Artesania Latina - 1:60 - Kit Fiddle Every action has a consequence
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