Captain Al Posted July 11, 2016 Share #1 Posted July 11, 2016 I can use some advice and insight as to whether or not I have followed the plans correctly in fabricating the bowsprit traveller for my Bounty. I am attaching 2 photos that show the plans with parts 281 (sheaves) and 496 (bowsprit ring or traveller). Also attached are 2 more pics that show what I've done. Question is: is that how its supposed to be? The ring with the sheaves on it will be hooked to a line that runs through the hole in the sprit and there is enough play in the ring (+ sheaves) around the sprit to allow it to be moved fore and aft (in reality... as a model, I may afix this hardware in a stationery position with a spot of glue). I haven't followed the running rigging plans far enough yet but I suppose there will be another set of lines that run through the sheaves that tension the sail itself. So with that said, can anyone tell me if I'm going about this correctly or if I've got it all wrong? Or partly wrong? Thanks. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Al Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share #2 Posted July 11, 2016 Note that one of the sheaves I have on there temporarily is not a sheave at all. Somehow a wheel got into the sheave cubby hole. And as can be seen in the photo (but not so much in person) I had to redo the hole so it sat at high noon and not at ten o'clock. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Al Posted July 12, 2016 Author Share #3 Posted July 12, 2016 Don't think so SpyGlass but thanks for trying. What you've linked to is mostly related to a main boom preventer to prevent accidental gybes. This gizzmo is more akin to a traveller on a main boom which is used to reduce the angle of the sail to the wind (on modern fore and aft mainsail yachts) and allow the boat to point a bit more upwind. I think that is the purpose as well of this "bowsprit ring" or (also) traveller as Peterson calls it. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Al Posted July 12, 2016 Author Share #4 Posted July 12, 2016 Yes, this is much like what I am about to put on my model. To me it looks like a complete ring around the sprit rather than a horseshoe. A ring would keep it on the sprit. A horsehoe would come off. But overall, are you in agreement that mine is pretty much correct and just needs the hook on top to connect it and control its movement fore and aft? Thanks for your interest and help. Much appreciated. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted July 12, 2016 Share #5 Posted July 12, 2016 It's been a while since I did the jib traveler for my Badger, but here is a link to my post on how I constructed it (using the Lennarth Peterson book and TFFM Vol. 4): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/604-brig-badger-by-landlubber-mike-caldercraft-164/?p=130687 mtaylor 1 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jud Posted July 12, 2016 Share #6 Posted July 12, 2016 (edited) Interesting devices, those bow sprint travelers. Can see some advantages in having the ability for the toe of that sail to be moved back and forth along the bowsprit. How is that line attached to the traveler and running to the foremast kept at the proper tension after each traveler shift, if not adjusted for length it would go slack or over tension'd with each shift of the traveler? jud Edited July 12, 2016 by jud mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Al Posted July 12, 2016 Author Share #7 Posted July 12, 2016 Interesting takes on this. Thanks. I will add some more of my two sense in a bit (the Admiral wants to go swimming). From my recent views of the rigging plans I seem to recall seeing (or I think I saw -- with these plans its not easy for me to be sure what line is what) two lines that hook to this traveller ring, the top one runs back to the foremast (possibly through a block on the forestay, and the bottom one run forward and then down through the hole (which in reality had a sheave in it) and then back somewhere. So this traveller could be pulled fore and aft and secured in position by belaying each of these lines. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Al Posted July 12, 2016 Author Share #8 Posted July 12, 2016 Yup. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Al Posted July 13, 2016 Author Share #9 Posted July 13, 2016 Added the blocks and wrapped the brass ring as its supposed to be in real life. What's that called? I forgot to put the hooks on and now am wondering if I'll have sufficient space between the ring and the sprit. I may need to just seize or lash the hooks to the ring with .15mm thread. Or just do it all over again and make the ring a bit larger. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted July 13, 2016 Share #10 Posted July 13, 2016 For period rigging practice, you might consider The Fully Framed Model, Volume IV, from SeawatchBooks. The jib traveller not not have rollers of any kind. mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Al Posted July 14, 2016 Author Share #11 Posted July 14, 2016 Druxey, thanks for the tip and the info. What then do you make of AL's plans above that include these two 281 sheaves? mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted July 14, 2016 Share #12 Posted July 14, 2016 Unfortunately, kits are often known for inaccuracy. It's possible that a jib traveller might have rollers, but not at that time period in the British navy. mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted July 15, 2016 Share #13 Posted July 15, 2016 Yes, they were leather covered like a modern car steering wheel. hornet, allanyed and mtaylor 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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