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Good Morning Ferit;

 

If you are talking of 18th century ships, or earlier, I have seen frequent mention in lists of bo'suns' stores to candles, and they are mentioned in other documents. Oil would be a volatile substance to have near a flame on a constantly-moving ship made of wood.

 

I would exclude oil completely, and show candles.

 

However, for 19th century merchant vessels, oil might have been used. I cannot say. If this is your area of interest, try looking under the National Maritime Museum's online collections site. They will certainly have some ships' lanterns there.

 

All the best,

 

Mark

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Posted

Ferit,

 

I may have some info on ship's lanterns packed away in a small book - I'll look tomorrow. But, my feeling is that candles were used up until the 19th century on most ships. Right whale oil was used in some lanterns until it was determined that Sperm Whale oil burned cleaner and brighter - obviously, this was one of the main factors in whale hunting - the oil was prized by everyone! Whether or not ship lanterns used this form of fuel, I don't know. I'm hoping there will be some information in the book I think I may have on early ship fittings, etc.

 

Hank

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Posted

I've read somewhere... I'll have to do some digging)...  that when the whale oil was used, the wick ran from lantern down through piping to the source, usually a barrel located in the cabin.  I'd trust the others on when they started using oil as I'm not sure.

Mark
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Posted

Ferit,

Well, I'm sorry to report that the books I thought might have information re. lanterns, etc. - in fact, do not! I've only been able to find a reference in Falconer's regarding a lantern used for signaling but it doesn't describe the fuel source.

 

I will keep researching this, but right now I don't have anything that would be helpful to you.

 

Hank

Construction Underway:

Entering Builder's Yard - USS STODDARD (DD-566) 1967-68 Configuration (Revell 1:144 FLETCHER - bashed)

In Development - T2 or T3 Fleet Oil Tanker (1:144 Scratch Build Model) - 1950s era

Currently - 3D Design/Printed 1/48 scale various U.S.N. Gun Mounts/Turrets and GFCS Directors (Mk. 34, 37, 38, 54)


Completed:
Armed Virginia Sloop (1768)
Royal Caroline (1748)
Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) (Scratchbuilt)

USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 1967-69 Configuration (Trumpeter 1:200 bashed MISSOURI)

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Posted

Ferit,

As of this evening a bit more info has been located. In a 2016 article (Iver P. Cooper) in Granville Gazette (online) there seems to be archeological evidence of candlestick holders being found on several seventeenth century merchant ships using a variety of fuel sources - tallow (animal fats) and beeswax. The link to this article is: https://grantvillegazette.com/article/life-at-sea-in-the-old-and-new-time-lines-part-3-shipboard-lighting-and-fire-prevention/

Later in the 18th century, oil lamps came into use with various types of whale oils used as the fuel source. See the same article link above.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Hank

Construction Underway:

Entering Builder's Yard - USS STODDARD (DD-566) 1967-68 Configuration (Revell 1:144 FLETCHER - bashed)

In Development - T2 or T3 Fleet Oil Tanker (1:144 Scratch Build Model) - 1950s era

Currently - 3D Design/Printed 1/48 scale various U.S.N. Gun Mounts/Turrets and GFCS Directors (Mk. 34, 37, 38, 54)


Completed:
Armed Virginia Sloop (1768)
Royal Caroline (1748)
Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) (Scratchbuilt)

USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 1967-69 Configuration (Trumpeter 1:200 bashed MISSOURI)

Member:
New Bern Ship Modeler's Guild

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NCMM Beaufort -CSMA

Posted

It probably depends also on where in the world you were. In some places access to oil was easy, while in others not. In the Mediterranean olive oil has been available since antiquity, while in the North vegetable oils were less readily available. Here animal tallow was used to make candles. However, commercial whaling from the 17th century on made whale oil accessible to northern Europe. At some stage also sunflower oil became available.

The commercial exploitation of mineral oils from the mid-19th century on changed the game. Since then petroleum was the main energy source for lighting until electricity was introduced in (steam) ship from the 1880s on. Sailing ships, however, retained petroleum lamps up to the end of commercial shipping under sail due to the absence of generating power.

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