HMS TERROR by Wahka_est - OcCre - 1:75 - first wooden ship build

[NovaStorm]

I can't see why you can't just go with paint alone. You can always do a test easy enough. Often that is the best way to see if something is really going to work. What a great build you are doing.

[Wahka_est]

So...

 

Being pissed and everything so painted hull and tried to find out why varnish turned grey. Apparently i used flass matt varnish and maybe pencil was dirty or i didnt mix it well( railing area on picture). 
Tried an other matt varnish from Admiralty and it worked like a charm on small area. So now just need to finish painting and then matt varnish it is(i will hide flat matt soni dont use it never ever again).

 

Main focus is on small details. It seems its still a lot to do on deck but end is there.

 

Made big mistake also-bowsprit does not sit on keel. It seems that front keel isnt correctly positioned so i have to find some solution there.

Lesson-dry fit bowsprit and masts at early stage so you can see how it fits.

 

Continiued with masts-i really enjoy it. Makes a feeling that now ship develops to the hights. And its higher than i imagined.

Im still little afraid the knots but i checked Master Korabel Polotsk manual and they have almost all needed knots there. Also Hms Cruiser kit has some info so hopefully it will turn out fine cause i really want to use right knots.

 

Received package with alligator clamps-ONE OF THE BEST INVESTMENTS SO FAR!!!

 

Parts that Occre leaves untreated i decided to do with oak stain(Admiralty). 
Also staind bowsprit oak but will leave too of masts probably untreated and only with varnish. Cause my build on decknis little messy i have to keep that wear and tear look at there i think  .

[Wahka_est]

Progress...

 

Havent installed anything to deck due painting. Progress in details is good so soon there should be many little things added to the deck. Even Admiral is pleased with progress but not with me staying at workshop allmost every day-soni guess its Netflix and chill tomorrow. I have totally forgotton myself to the ship world.

 

Some problems:

1) Bowsprit does not sit on keel. Probably have to sand it to correct position. Like i said lesson learned.

2) Ropes on bowsprit are not posotioned like on pictures but are exactly like on drawings- lets call it Occre messy instructions again. No adjustments there.

3) i hve a hole in beck under bowsprit-Will order a barrel there or aome other addition to cover it.

4) painting does not have so good straight lines but lets call it common to that era-they didnt have lasers and autocad

Lessons for me so far:

1) dry fit mast and bow at early stage

2) varnish small details before installing them

 

Progress:

1) main mast allmost done. No issues there. 
2) fore mast allmost done

3) bowsprit allmost done

4) lot of deck fitting done-allmost all painted

 

Also started doing some deadeyes. Different drawings and books have different solutions. I like how mine is. Tried Master Korabel solution also but that knot makes it so fat and it does not look natural. Is my way correct?

[NovaStorm]

Wow bud your doing great. Some of your solutions sound good to, easy fixes like the barrel or a coil of rope to hide any small issues. Just a thought have you tried slipping a pie shaped wedge of wood into the gap between bowsprit and stem just to see if it would look alright. Your rigging is looking top notch too    

[ObviousNewbie]

Looks great, awesome work! Have the same issue when dry fitting the bow and the bowsprit, will probably need to sand down the opening in the deck to lower the beam, measuring the angle from the plans so I can replicate correctly. Btw, you probably know this, but just in case: in the pictures the bowsprit is fitted upside down 🙂

[Wahka_est]

Tnx. Correct remark on bowsprit-it was 1am whnni was doing that.’

 

[Keith S]

When I was glue-ing the keel pieces in my model I noticed it was easy to fit that particular piece incorrectly. Mine is also going to require slight correction.

 

[Wahka_est]

Today worked on deck details and installed some. Dont know right names but wooden frame and crane like things. 4 got installed, 6 are ready but need installing.

 

My thoughts were on work during the build so i dont see any efficency today. Outcame was allmost nothing for 3 hours.

 

I still hve some brass details missing from keel. Just dont feel like i want to do it know, dont know reason why. But i will keep that in mind so i dont build her up that i have difficulties installing those.

 

Last picture is my storage place for workshop assigned by Admiral herself. I pack and repack every time unless its weekend. Really need to het own hose and have my dream room library with fireplace and 200 years of office table and  small corner for ship building.

 

One addition-Occres instructions are really bad. That wooden frame does not have no dimensions how columns should be located. And there isnt location on deck plan. This is just one example. There is constant problem with lack of info. Even though there are pictures, there are many blinds spots that you really have to guess what should be there. I googled torreor and printed out as many pictures of build with photos of blind spots.

I really hope that Hms cruiser has good drawings.

Edited March 25, 2020 by Wahka_est
Addition

[NovaStorm]

That is not the cruiser sitting on the shelve below? You are giving me a good idea of what to expect when I get around to starting mine. Slow going now but you are doing a good job figuring it all out 

Edited March 25, 2020 by NovaStorm

[Wahka_est]

Yes thats the Cruiser - waiting for sanding....translation....good weather to do it on the balcony.

[Wahka_est]

More deck equipment installed.

Occre plans are missing location of lot of equipment, therefore i had to wild guess the location from their photos.

 

Also started with yards. Reason for that is to get one mast done soon to keep motivating myself with ship taking real shape.

[Keith S]

I think you're doing an excellent job of work on this model. Everything looks like it's in the right place to me.

 

[Jeff-E]

Looking good, keep up the good work.😊

[Wahka_est]

Got bowsprit done. Tomorrow will check once again if all pieces are there.

Woodwork for main mast yards is done. Now its the fitting and rigging.

Also worked on some other small details that are missing from the hull.

 

Question-do you varnish all pieces before glueing together or not?

Example masts-you put it all together with ropes etc and then varnish? What about deck fittings?

For me it seems its better to varnish small pieces but then theres issie with glueing or might be.

Varnished masts and bowsprit with ropes so lets see how that turned out....
 

One more question-how to get that hariness away from ropes?

Edited March 28, 2020 by Wahka_est
Update

[Wahka_est]

Finished my first yard today-im proud.

Couldnt wait for the others so had to install it also-really makes a difference on ship.

Ends of a yard look little like mess with knots but hey...still first one.

 

Again instructions are not so clear-pictures show one thing, drawings others.
Also pictures dont show small wooden pieces but drawings do.I looked at the books i bought and i think i installed the middle blocks front of mast into correct location-again pictures and drawings arent the same.

Also dont understand how yards should be painted. Occre has really few pictures and they are not the same also. Finally decided to make them all black and white.

 

Run into small problem also-mizze mast ran to that wooden structure. Thought a bit how it could be sorted out-decision was done basis on what i would do in reality. They would never move any structure so i sanded it a bit. Almost looks that it was meant to be like this.

 

Regarding instructions i really hope Hms Cruiser is much better at that point.

 

[Wahka_est]

Reached full height with all the masts, only balls are missing from top that i will do separately.

3 yards remain to be done.

 

Havent started with deadeyes to the hull cause was looking for better chainplates than brass rod-havent find correct one yet probably cause im newby. Therefore ordered different samples from Cornwall (together with some other stuff....).

 

I plan to do mockups for different woods for muself like i did with varnish to have better overview and also see how i can do future ships more beautiful.

 

Anyone has experience with that gorilla glue? Did mockup and mybe it suits for ropes-will see tomorrow.

[NovaStorm]

Wow that looks great. Your moving right along

You fixed up the bowsprit by the looks of it too.

Edited April 1, 2020 by NovaStorm

[Seems ok to me]

Is that the gorilla glue that is just superglue?  If so, I’ve used and and did not think it justified the price. Worked like CA glue, nothing special. 

[Wahka_est]

No its not  a superglue. It dries in 24h but fully transparent. 
 

Question - these blocks ik pointing on yard, do they have to be on same line with every yard? Instructions are really unclear and some photos show them in complitely different location.

[NewbyMark]

On 4/1/2020 at 11:44 PM, Wahka_est said:

Hi, very nice work on your build. I arrived at your log searching for colour samples of Admiralty stains. Is that what this picture is showing? I am thinking of using an oak stain on my HMS Speedy build. How have you found the stains to work with? Thanks 🙂

[Wahka_est]

7 hours ago, NewbyMark said:

Hi, very nice work on your build. I arrived at your log searching for colour samples of Admiralty stains. Is that what this picture is showing? I am thinking of using an oak stain on my HMS Speedy build. How have you found the stains to work with? Thanks 🙂

Im useing Admiralty ones vause im not familir with woodwork and it seemed like safe bet. Im happy with them-no issues so far.
Only concern is which one to use.

As i understand many folks use normal ones from hardware store but im not in point of experimenting yet.

Also varnishes are Admiralty, this build is matt.

 

To summarize i suggest, specially for newbie(sry if you arent).

 

NB! Always make mockup before applying it on ship.

 

Happy to answer if you have some other questions.

[NewbyMark]

1 hour ago, Wahka_est said:

Im useing Admiralty ones vause im not familir with woodwork and it seemed like safe bet. Im happy with them-no issues so far.
Only concern is which one to use.

As i understand many folks use normal ones from hardware store but im not in point of experimenting yet.

Also varnishes are Admiralty, this build is matt.

 

To summarize i suggest, specially for newbie(sry if you arent).

 

NB! Always make mockup before applying it on ship.

 

Happy to answer if you have some other questions.

Thank you for your response. I have built ship models before, but I am certainly no expert. I will experiment with these stains on some scrap and see what looks best. The pear strip is a bit pale for my liking....

 

Enjoy the rest of your build!

[Wahka_est]

Focused on Hms Cruiser for few evening so no real progress on Terror.

 

Seems i have catched a little spring cold (maybe corona, who knows) and head and nose feel little offset. Like previous 15 years i have cured it with pure vodka, like this time.

I managed to finish fore mast lower yard. Taken into account i was drunk all criticism is accepted :).

Lesson for tonight-when being drunk and doing rigging, then double check when cutting leftover ropes. You might cut off some block-yes i did.

 

I will probably focus little more on Hms Cruiser for now on cause i like the planking process for some reason but i still aim to finish the Terror start of July( as former construction project manager inhabe to have deadlines  )

 

[Wahka_est]

Fore mast allmost done. Tried my hand on platform deadeyesi would say ok result.

 

Also pictures of my “mobile workstation” provided by Admiral and “warehouse”.

 

[Wahka_est]

Did forst dradeyes with chainplates. Im not happy with the result. As common for Occre the instructions tell to do it one way but photos the other....

I ordered some samples to check and probably will change them. 
I used brass balck to blacken the wire and it makes wales so messy.... also result ist good enough.

Guess i jumped up a level where you invest into better kit fittings to het better results...have to support economy somehow...as bars are closed.

[Keith S]

I think commercially available chainplates are an easy way to upgrade this model. Plus, I found it actually less work to use them than it would be to make them the kit way. 

 

I like your rigging so far. It looks like you know what you are doing. I do not know what I am doing, and I fear the rigging.

Edited April 21, 2020 by Keith S
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[Wahka_est]

Small peogress cause i managed to rigg main mast too deadeyes in wrong direction. 2 holes at lower part not at upper part where it goes to connection deadeye-i guess more focus on details.

All wooden parts for masts done. Need details, finishing and attatching to masts.

 

Ordered chain plates. I guess when those arrive i can finish the main parts and move to rigging complitely. I have some bit and pieces around the ship that are uet not done and it would take few nights.

[Wahka_est]

23 hours ago, Keith S said:

I think commercially available chainplates are an easy way to upgrade this model. Plus, I found it actually less work to use them than it would be to make them the kit way. 

 

I like your rigging so far. It looks like you know what you are doing. I do not know what I am doing, and I fear the rigging.

Let me know if you need help with knots. I have collected knots from other kit instructions and books.

[NovaStorm]

43 minutes ago, Wahka_est said:

Let me know if you need help with knots. I have collected knots from other kit instructions and books.

This is the naughtiest site I know Link just saying

[Wahka_est]

As im waiting for spare parts for Cruiser there has been progress with this build.
 

Main and fore mast - 100% done

Mizze mast-all yards done, need to connect to the mast.

Repaired the keel under bowsprit-much better than before.

 

Any idea what are those black rings(picture inside plastic box)? Maybe rings for connecting mizze yard to mast?

 

Final picture with all my ongoing projects at the moment(dont dare to take the picture about future ones as intook advantage of model expo sale....).