Jump to content

Does WWII wreck SS Richard Montgomery threaten Thames airport? - moved by moderator


Kevin

Recommended Posts

Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on
 

All the best

Kevin :omg:


SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS.
KEEP IT REAL!

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On the build table

HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 

 

 

HMHS Britannic by Kevin 

SD 14  - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 -  Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72   U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48  Amerigo Vespucci     1/84 - Panart-   HMS Enterprise  -CAF -  1/48     

Finished     

St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020

HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished   Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 

Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hello Kevin,

 

This was a very interesting to read.

 

With all those studies going on and exploring all posibilities, I wander what will be decided in the end.

Remove the wreck, do a controlled explosion as suggested or just remove the ammunition?

 

Thanks,

 

Anja

Those we loved but lost are no longer where they were, but are always where we are.


In the gallery: Albatros 1840 - Constructo

Link to comment
Share on other sites

its a typical case of its too big a problem to deal with so I ll just leave it to the next guy to take care off. if they had dealt with it straight after the war they could have removed the ammunition more easily. now I think a controlled explosion would be the best option as all precautions to minimize damage could be taken. leaving it like it is could end up in not only lots of damage but loss of life

 

Current builds : HMS Bounty, Constructo Pilar

Next build : undecided

On the Shelf : AL San Juan, Mamoli HMS Victory

Builds on hold : Ochre Gorch Fock, Hachette/Amati Black Pearl

Previous Builds Gallery : Virginia; King of Mississippi

Previous Builds logs : AL King of Mississippi 1/80

Link to comment
Share on other sites

That's it really, it's too late to go messing with it now. Question is, how much of that explosive is still volatile enough to amplify any "controlled" demolition into a catastrophe. And in case anyone has any doubts as to the nature of explosives left under water, you can dive on various wrecks of British battleships sunk during the Galipoli campaign, all over them are rods of cordite that are still reactive. You just need to strike off the encrustations and they light off with a match.

 

Andy

Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati


Current Build:

USF Confederacy

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I would expect they would investigate worse case scenarios so that they can prepare for that. I had a look at the incident of the SS Kielce and was surprised about damage to windows and such as I would expect the shockwave of the explosion to mostly disperse through the water

Edited by Adrieke

 

Current builds : HMS Bounty, Constructo Pilar

Next build : undecided

On the Shelf : AL San Juan, Mamoli HMS Victory

Builds on hold : Ochre Gorch Fock, Hachette/Amati Black Pearl

Previous Builds Gallery : Virginia; King of Mississippi

Previous Builds logs : AL King of Mississippi 1/80

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Well this should be worth a lot of money to someone. No matter how they do it.

 

Interesting thought, what would have happened in WW2 if this ship had been hit and blown up while sitting on top of the water. If they are currently worried about the problems now that it's down "deep" under water think of it blowing up on the surface.

 

Good Luck to them

 

Later 42rocker

Current Build -- Finishing a 1:1 House that I've been building for a while

Current Build -- Triton Cross Section

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Having worked with explosives for 8 years, I can say a controlled explosion would be very dangerous.  The danger is not from the explosion.  The danger is not all the explosives on board actually detonating which is probably what would happen.  Some explosive items would be thrown through the air and land who knows where, without detonating.  That makes clean up a real problem.

 

How do I know this?  Been there, done that (but not at this scale).

 

When you see EOD and Engineers do a mass controlled explosion, the explosives are back together for sympathetic detonation.  On a ship like this, that wouldn't be the case.

 

-Jesse

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The wreck is nearer the Sheerness than Essex where I live but its been forecast for as long as I can remember that it would cause serious damage to the Southend area, whilst I no expert in these matters but none of the bombs or shells on board were armed with a fuse so I am not sure on what the immediate threat is. I have been past her many times and at a very low water a good deal of her can be seen rising up out of the sea. We have been taliking about airports in the the thames since about 1970 when I was a schoolboy - I am sure it will never happen, theres more unexploded ordanance of Shoebury where the military range is located plus at least 4 or 5 times a year local fisherman bring up a German mine from the river. In fact the foreshore is riddled with shells that keep popping up.

 

Norman

Norman

 

 

Current build Trumpeter Arizona 1:200 with White Ensign PE and a Nautilus Wooden Deck.

Built Caldercraft Convulsion, HM Brig Badger and HMS Snake.

Awaiting - Zvelda HMS Dreadnought planning to get the Pontos Deck and PE Upgrades, Panart 1:23 Gun deck model and couple of the cannon kits Manatu - French siege mortar, and American coastal cannon.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Controlled explosion would be the best solution, other options seem to be to risky.

Even a controlled is very risky but has been done before.

Interesting which way they are to take.

 

Please, visit our Facebook page!

 

Respectfully

 

Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics 
593661798_Keepitreal-small.jpg.f8a2526a43b30479d4c1ffcf8b37175a.jpg

Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan

Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS

Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey

Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...