HMB Endeavour by Micklen32 - OcCre - 1:54

[Micklen32]

Right I have come to a decision

I have decided to paint   

I will do it the Caldercraft matt white

I am fairly happy with the planking but it is far from authentic with it's points etc so I think it will be better and more realistic to have the white paint finish as a lot of the Endeavours have including the replica   

I will get the hull finished and then do the base painting, the Blue, middle staining and the white hull, then I will add the strakes and do the black  

I think that will work well

Right off we go, it's good I have come to a decision   

 

Keeping it up   

Mick

[Sjors]

Hi Mick,

 

I will see how it ends when you paint the hull.

You have a smooth surface for that !

Great feeling that you have made the decision?

 

[Micklen32]

Hi Mick,

 

I will see how it ends when you paint the hull.

You have a smooth surface for that !

Great feeling that you have made the decision?

 

Yes Sjors

I was deliberating a bit and it is good to come to a firm decision

I have sent off for the paint and have a lot of sanding blocks ready

This is how the finished side looks BTW

 

 

Keeping it up   

Mick

[Sjors]

Thanks for the pictures Mick,

 

I think that you can get it very smooth.

Only one thing…at the stern, the end where the rudder is gonna be attach, try to get a smooth line from bottom to top.

The planks that starts at the keel and end at the light colour planks.

 

 

 

[Micklen32]

 

Thanks for the pictures Mick,

 

I think that you can get it very smooth.

Only one thing…at the stern, the end where the rudder is gonna be attach, try to get a smooth line from bottom to top.

The planks that starts at the keel and end at the light colour planks.

 

 

 

 

Yeah I see that Sjors

The judicious use of a scalpel with a new blade   

I got that all in hand   

Going to finish the other side tomorrow after having a few x-rays taken of my arthritis so the physios can see what it's like inside

Not had any of the joints for a long while and they want a fresh look   

 

Keeping it up   

Mick

[Sjors]

Watch out with the blade.

Don't cut a piece of your finger….that hurt !

 

[Anja]

Hello Mick,

 

That finished side looks great. Good luck with the other side.

And good luck with the physio tomorrow.

 

Anja

[Micklen32]

Right the planking is done 

I am hoping the paint will come tomorrow but I do have a lot of sanding to do first 

 

 

I am very pleased at how the sides look but the bow and stern do let it down a little   

Still after a lot of sanding it should be nice and smooth and after an undercoat it should take the white very well

I see in the instructions that a lot of the parts are scratch built so I will really need to take my time there

There is the hull to paint next then the first part of the build are the rubbing strakes closely followed by the gallant rails

I am looking forward to starting building the furniture but my arthritic fingers could do with a day or twos rest I think   

Still tomorrow

Sanding   

 

Keeping it up   

Mick

[Sjors]

Nice Mick,

 

Good luck with the sanding and use mouth protection !

 

[aliluke]

Looks really good Mick

I wouldn't rush into the painting. Have a look at other logs - it might be wise to do some other work first. In other words, I'd plan a sequence to work out when painting is "the next step". The paint is the finish and if you damage it during the rest of the build it is very hard to fix (I speak from bitter experience).

 

Cheers

Alistair

[Micklen32]

Looks really good Mick

I wouldn't rush into the painting. Have a look at other logs - it might be wise to do some other work first. In other words, I'd plan a sequence to work out when painting is "the next step". The paint is the finish and if you damage it during the rest of the build it is very hard to fix (I speak from bitter experience).

 

Cheers

Alistair

I totally hear you Alistair

My problem is I do tend to follow the instructions in the book as it were

What I could do is just the blue paint for now as that will be needed before fitting the gallant rails and then do the strakes and painting when it gets close to starting the bits that go on the hull

 

 

I do have a question for you all while I am on

What should the finish of the keel be

Natural wood or black paint or what?????

 

Thanks a lot

Mick

[aliluke]

Hi Mick

The main keel should definitely be painted white with the hull. Below is a link to my model of the AVS (I still haven't figured out to link it through my signature....) You can see the effect. Work out a painting sequence allowing for the addition of the strakes and other bits. Painting requires as much patience and thought as all parts and while you'll have to do touch-ups as you go you want to get the sequence right in the first place. I haven't done the Endeavour and urge you to look at the other logs for it and look at the approaches to the sequence. You've got the hull sorted out - take your time and make the rest really sweet!

 

For masking I'd suggest Tamiya masking tape. I know that lots of others here use it. Properly applied it has no bleed.

 

Take your time and enjoy.

 

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/392-armed-virginia-sloop-by-aliluke-model-shipways-148/page-1

 

Cheers

Alistair

[Micklen32]

Hi Mick

The main keel should definitely be painted white with the hull. Below is a link to my model of the AVS (I still haven't figured out to link it through my signature....) You can see the effect. Work out a painting sequence allowing for the addition of the strakes and other bits. Painting requires as much patience and thought as all parts and while you'll have to do touch-ups as you go you want to get the sequence right in the first place. I haven't done the Endeavour and urge you to look at the other logs for it and look at the approaches to the sequence. You've got the hull sorted out - take your time and make the rest really sweet!

 

For masking I'd suggest Tamiya masking tape. I know that lots of others here use it. Properly applied it has no bleed.

 

Take your time and enjoy.

 

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/392-armed-virginia-sloop-by-aliluke-model-shipways-148/page-1

 

Cheers

Alistair

Thanks Alistair

That looks perfectly logical looking at your photos and others

It's just working out when to do it

If I followed the instructions it is done next prior to fitting all the strakes, then the gallant boards followed by the transome and rudder

I do get a little nervous going away from the instructions because I worry about missing something until it's too late to put it in satisfactorily

I have done that twice before on other models and I don't want to make a third 

Looking at the Eaglemoss Endeavour build videos as they do it exactly the same

I have looked at that as we presume it is the same model

 

http://www.build-endeavour.com/en/guide.htmlhttp://www.build-endeavour.com/en/guide.html

It also looks as if on your build it is not too much different so I think that is the way I will go on

Thanks a lot for the pointers Alistair

It will all come good in the end   

 

Keep it up   

Mick

 

P.S.  To put your AVS link in to your signature just do the same as I have using cut and paste for the addy

Edited August 20, 2013 by Micklen32

[Micklen32]

Never been known to hold back 

Gave the hull a very good rub down

And tried the blue paint and the stain 

 

 

The blue looks great

The stain is a little darker than I expected but I think it will be good

I used Frog tape which is supposedly totally bleed free

It did bleed a little though but that is not so bad as I need to bring the blue about 5mm lower

I did that just in case it did bleed a little   

I have Tamiya tape on the way   

The walnut still needs a little more sanding but my hand and arm was dropping off   

I am pleased with the way it looks and when the black strakes are on there it should look real good

 

Keeping it up   

Mick

[Micklen32]

Been hard at work today

Been undercoating the hull and fitting the rubbing strakes one side

 

 

Well pleased with how it looks and over the moon that I have it perfect as the illustrations show me

If you look at the stern shot you will see the 3 thicker strakes fitting underneath that curved bit and the thinner one on the side just as the illustrations show so I am well chuffed

 

Still waiting for the tape to finish the painting off properly hoping I have enough white as it doesn't seem to want to go very far

Tomorrow I will fit the other side strakes and maybe give the blue it's second coat then stain and fit the gallant rails if I have the time

That or give the few humps and bumps on the hull a sand

We shall see

 

Keeping it up

Mick

Edited August 22, 2013 by Micklen32

[Sjors]

Hi Mick,

 

I like the blue but ……  personally I don't like that orange.

Maybe is should be darker?

But it is your ship and you are the captain and it is your choice !

You like it, that's the most important thing !

 

[Micklen32]

Hi Mick,

 

I like the blue but ……  personally I don't like that orange.

Maybe is should be darker?

But it is your ship and you are the captain and it is your choice !

You like it, that's the most important thing !

 

Hi Sjors 

Thank you

It will be a bit darker as it will have a coat or two more and that will darken, but the blue should stay pretty much the same

The tape didn't arrive today so I have to wait a little longer   

May get the gallant rails cut and stained

I will see how I feel

The arthritis is having a bit of a field day or three in my fingers recently   

 

Keeping it up   

Mick

[Sjors]

Hi Mick,

 

We have really a sickbay on this forum.

I'm on the way back and I hope you will follow me.

I will wait for the end result of the paint before I give anymore comment …….

 

[Captain Slog]

Looks really good Mick

I wouldn't rush into the painting. Have a look at other logs - it might be wise to do some other work first. In other words, I'd plan a sequence to work out when painting is "the next step". The paint is the finish and if you damage it during the rest of the build it is very hard to fix (I speak from bitter experience).

 

Cheers

Alistair

 

Hi Mick,

 

you are coming along in leaps and bounds but I got to agree with Alistair about holding off with the white.  I left doing mine until all the man handling was finished with. Now I can safely leave it in the cloth protected cradle to do all the little details and attachments. You have still a lot of manipulating to do with channels and rails etc.  

 

Cheers

Slog

[Micklen32]

Hi Mick,

 

you are coming along in leaps and bounds but I got to agree with Alistair about holding off with the white.  I left doing mine until all the man handling was finished with. Now I can safely leave it in the cloth protected cradle to do all the little details and attachments. You have still a lot of manipulating to do with channels and rails etc.  

 

Cheers

Slog

Yes Slog I have to agree with you

I have done some undercoat to see how it looked and I see one or two points that need a bit of work

Once that is done and I have put another bit of undercoat on I will leave the painting until it is necessary

i am wondering if I can fit the rudder before painting   

The hinges are quite small and would be difficult to paint round easily so I will probably put off fitting the rudder until I have to and use that as my starting line for the white

 

Keeping it up   

Mick

[Micklen32]

Right

Been a busy boy today as my hands and fingers were good 

Have a look how she looks now 

 

 

I have decided not to paint the white and black until I have to 

As you can see the next major job is for me to make the samson posts, pillars etc to go on the gallant rails

Now I do have a question for you all   

Should I reinforce these parts with a small pin into a hole in the gallant rail or is that overdoing things and just making sure there is maximum surface for gluing and a spot of CA glue enough ??????

 

All the items to go on the gallant rail, and there are 74 ish of them  are scratch made so that will keep me bust for a day or two so there is plenty of time to get plenty of answers to my question   

 

Keeping it up   

Mick

 

[RGL]

I quite like the colour, it will look good against the black

[Captain Slog]

Hi Mick,

 

For the rudder I was able to attach mine but it was removable if need be.  When it came time to paint the white, I attached it so I could get the water line to flow straight across the hull and rudder together so the line was...in-line right through.

 

I left the rudder on to apply the Tamiya masking tape front one end to the other for the same reason as above.  Once this was I done I removed the rudder for masking up and painting separately knowing when I reattach it the paint line will be level across the gap.  Not sure if OcCre allows the rudder to be shipped/unshipped once done.

 

Cheers

Slog

[aliluke]

Hi Mick

Looking good.

As to your question - if there is tension on a part from the rigging in particular, you should use pins as well as glue. If the part fails during rigging you'll regret not having reinforced it. Much easier to pin now and be safe later! If it is not going to be under any stress then CA should do. For the most stressed pieces I also tend to use epoxy glues even though I really hate working with them. Epiglass Epiglue for instance, once cured (that takes 4 days!), forms a bond that will be stronger than the pieces it connects. In other words the wood will fail before the bond does. CA is much more brittle especially if there is not a lot of bonding surface.

 

Hope that helps.

 

Cheers

Alistair

[Micklen32]

Thank you all for your comments 

 

Slog.  Unfortunately once the rudder is it it is in

However looking at the plans I think it can be left much later than OcCre say

 

Alistair.  Yes I see what you mean

Looking at all the photos I have seen of the finished model there seems to be nothing putting strain on anything on the gallant rail

All the ropes etc seem to go to cleats or rings

I am not a fan of epoxy and only tend to use them in connection with fishing rods

I don't think contact adhesive is suitable so I may try fast acting wood glue as that will give a solid finish without the brittleness

 

Anyway at the moment I have my head down 

 

 

I have 34 of these to make, then lots more posts and other parts   

I also want to carve the breakwater as the one in the kit is not great and it's a quite important part

I have a nice piece of bass wood and the Dremel so I should be ok 

 

Keeping it up   

Mick

Edited August 24, 2013 by Micklen32

[Anja]

Hello Mick,

 

I've been following your log quietly for the last days.

You are making some great progress.

 

Make sure you give your hands and fingers some rest in between tasks.

 

Anja

[Micklen32]

Thank you Anja   

 

Making these small pieces by hand puts a lot of stress on the fingers so I do very few before resting for a bit

I am getting there with the samson posts and columns

I made a skylight to have a bit of a rest and I also carved the breakwater from a piece of basswood, so I am not being lazy     

There are other bits of deck furniture I can build to give me a break from the small stuff

I will do some photos tomorrow so you can see how I am getting on

One thing I did find very difficult was the transom surround which in this kit is done with strip layers of a very thin lime veneer

It was difficult because the veneer was so thin the glue was actually coming through it   

I think I have it sorted now though and it just needs cutting back and sanding

In the instructions it shows it stained, but personally I think it will look better painted blue, as the transom is

 

So as you can see I am keeping it up   

Mick

[Anja]

I can see you're keeping it up Mick.

 

It's up to us to keep up with you

 

Take care,

 

Anja

[Sjors]

Hi Mick,

 

Anja is running that fast …….but I'm running with her ( not to long )

I watch your samson post and one comment…( If you don't mind  )why are you not using a round file ?

 

What I'm talking about, you are doing more then I do at this moment !

I can only give comment 

Great job on the stern….love the blue !

 

Keep on going and I'm following.

 

[Adrieke]

wow you have progressed heaps and its looking good

 

it ll probably another year before i am where you are