Bill Jackson Posted August 12, 2021 #1 Posted August 12, 2021 I am building the San Marcos kit (1585) and have come to the section when its time to start the chain plates. Can anyone tell me what type of chain plates were used on 16th century Galleons? The chain plates it comes with were really for an 17th century galleon. Quote
Solution allanyed Posted August 12, 2021 Solution #2 Posted August 12, 2021 (edited) Have you watched the videos of the ten year San Salvador project? There may be some clues there as they did a ton of research before building the replica. I have no idea how accurate they have been but the old video here is quite interesting. There are lots of photos of this ship on the net since she was launched that show the chain plates which look like those of the 17th century. Also, there are photos of a 16th century galleon at the RMG Collections site. The model is modern (1988) but based on contemporary information. Note that one of the builders of the model was noted author James Lees. The description of the model is as follows: Scale: 1:96. A full hull model of a Spanish galleon (circa 1588). Built in the solid and plank on frame. Model is decked, equipped and fully rigged, including details such as a pair of anchors, deck gratings, flags, decoration around the stern and bulwarks, and a number of scale figures in the rigging and on deck. This model and the English equivalent (SLR0358) have been built from a design by David White, formerly of the NMM, based upon contemporary evidence and known naval architectural design. By comparison, the Spanish ships were much higher and rounded in the midship section. Spain did not possess a permanent force of sailing warships in the Atlantic before the 1570s. Twelve royal galleons built between 1568 and 1570 were deemed to small for fighting ships, and the three building programmes between 1578 and 1591 aimed to produce large ships that could carry a great deal of sail, many guns and would be able to overcome their opponents. This model represents one of the new, large galleons of the Armada period. You can get high resolution photos from RMG. Allan Edited August 14, 2021 by allanyed Dave boatswain, Gregory and mtaylor 3 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU
Bill Jackson Posted August 13, 2021 Author #3 Posted August 13, 2021 Wow thank you very much!!!! This info will not only help me with my question, but will help me in ALL my future builds. Thanks again and Stay Safe mtaylor and allanyed 2 Quote
Louie da fly Posted August 30, 2021 #4 Posted August 30, 2021 You might like to look at the collection I made of contemporary representations of galleons at https://www.pinterest.com.au/lowe1847/galleons/ - it might be helpful. Steven mtaylor and allanyed 2 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
allanyed Posted August 30, 2021 #5 Posted August 30, 2021 Steven, I looked at the collection. WELL DONE piece of work!!! Allan mtaylor 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU
Louie da fly Posted August 30, 2021 #6 Posted August 30, 2021 Thanks, Allan. I think there's a lot to learn from contemporary representations, and I thought it would be good to collect as many as possible in one place as an easily-accessed reference. Bill, just a quick question - when you ask about chain plates, do you mean metal plates or the flat wooden extensions to the hull which hold the shrouds, known as chain wales (channels)? Steven mtaylor 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Louie da fly Posted August 31, 2021 #7 Posted August 31, 2021 I've just added some more galleons to my Pinterest page, for those who are interested. https://www.pinterest.com.au/lowe1847/galleons/ Steven mtaylor 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Bill Jackson Posted September 18, 2021 Author #8 Posted September 18, 2021 On 8/30/2021 at 4:33 PM, Louie da fly said: You might like to look at the collection I made of contemporary representations of galleons at https://www.pinterest.com.au/lowe1847/galleons/ - it might be helpful. Steven Thamk mtaylor 1 Quote
Bill Jackson Posted September 18, 2021 Author #9 Posted September 18, 2021 Just now, Bill Jackson said: Thanks Steven I have been sick, but I will look now. mtaylor 1 Quote
Louie da fly Posted September 18, 2021 #10 Posted September 18, 2021 Sorry to hear you've been sick, Bill. I hope the pictures on the pinterest page are helpful to you. Unfortunately the archaeological record is fairly sparse, and a lot of the technical information we need is only available from contemporary pictures, which often incorporate a fair bit of artistic licence. Matthew Baker's pictures are perhaps the most reliable for this period. It's a pity there are so few of them. Best wishes, Steven mtaylor 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Bill Jackson Posted December 15, 2021 Author #11 Posted December 15, 2021 Ok guys I'm back from Covid. I made it through. Took 9 weeks but at least mybrain is back to full function and I can breath. Guess I'm lucky. Now back to work on my galleon San Marcos. Thanks for the help.. The pics helped a lot. mtaylor 1 Quote
allanyed Posted December 15, 2021 #12 Posted December 15, 2021 Glad to see you are back and feeling well!!!! Allan mtaylor 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU
mtaylor Posted December 15, 2021 #13 Posted December 15, 2021 That's great news, Bill. Welcome back home. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
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