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Looking at photos of contemporary models, most appear to have gun port wreaths that have a groove/rabbet cut to accommodate wales or moldings.  A few have the moldings or wales cut so the wreath can lay flush against the hull without any wood removed from the back of the wreath.   I cannot find anything indicating what the actual practice was.   

 

If anyone has information based on contemporary descriptions I would be grateful to learn how this was done in actual practice.

 

Examples on contemporary models follow:

 

TIA

Allan

 

Wreath over wales and molding

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Wreath with wales cut to fit.

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Posted

No data here.

 

My guess would be that the decoration would adapt to the structure.

To be cynical,  the second option where the hull is damaged to accommodate the decoration - the carver probably valued the wreath more than the hull and did not wish to risk having to remake the carving.

NRG member 50 years

 

Current:  

NMS

HMS Ajax 1767 - 74-gun 3rd rate - 1:192 POF exploration - works but too intense -no margin for error

HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - POF Navall Timber framing

HMS Beagle 1831 refiit  10-gun brig with a small mizzen - POF Navall (ish) Timber framing

The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842
Flying Fish 1838  pilot schooner - POF framed - ready for stern timbers
Porpose II  1836  brigantine/brig - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers
Vincennes  1825  Sloop-of-War  - POF timbers assembled, need shaping
Peacock  1828  Sloop-of -War  - POF timbers ready for assembly
Sea Gull  1838  pilot schooner - POF timbers ready for assembly
Relief  1835 packet hull USN ship - POF timbers ready for assembly

Other

Portsmouth  1843  Sloop-of-War  - POF timbers ready for assembly
Le Commerce de Marseilles  1788   118 cannons - POF framed

La Renommee 1744 Frigate - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers

 

Posted

In actual practice a structural component would not be cut into or 'wounded' in any way. The thicker planking of the wale was more important, so the first method would be correct. The second photo appears to show the model-maker's 'easy out'.

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