allanyed Posted November 14, 2021 Share #1 Posted November 14, 2021 Looking at photos of contemporary models, most appear to have gun port wreaths that have a groove/rabbet cut to accommodate wales or moldings. A few have the moldings or wales cut so the wreath can lay flush against the hull without any wood removed from the back of the wreath. I cannot find anything indicating what the actual practice was. If anyone has information based on contemporary descriptions I would be grateful to learn how this was done in actual practice. Examples on contemporary models follow: TIA Allan Wreath over wales and molding Wreath with wales cut to fit. thibaultron and mtaylor 2 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted November 14, 2021 Share #2 Posted November 14, 2021 No data here. My guess would be that the decoration would adapt to the structure. To be cynical, the second option where the hull is damaged to accommodate the decoration - the carver probably valued the wreath more than the hull and did not wish to risk having to remake the carving. Roger Pellett, wefalck, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote NRG member 45 years Current: HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 ship - timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted November 14, 2021 Share #3 Posted November 14, 2021 In actual practice a structural component would not be cut into or 'wounded' in any way. The thicker planking of the wale was more important, so the first method would be correct. The second photo appears to show the model-maker's 'easy out'. dvm27, mtaylor, allanyed and 4 others 7 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted November 15, 2021 Author Share #4 Posted November 15, 2021 (edited) Thank you Jaager and David. Not "wounding" the wales makes total sense and with the vast majority of contemporary models confirming this, that is the route I will follow. Allan Edited November 15, 2021 by allanyed mtaylor, druxey, Mark P and 2 others 5 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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