Name the Ship Game

[st george]

QUEEN OF CLIPPERS?

[molasses]

Queen of Clippers is correct, David. 

 

Here's an article that appeared in a Boston newspaper (where she was built and outfitted) shortly before she sailed to New York to take on her first cargo and passengers:

 

http://www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/News/BDA/BDA(1853-04-02).html

 

She was sold to a French company with her name translated into French in 1856. Nothing else is known about her after that.

 

You turn, David.

[st george]

Thanks Dave,

 

next from me

 

 

Good luck

Edited October 23, 2013 by st george

[st george]

Time for a clue.

 

She was renamed three times and sunk by a U Boat.

[molasses]

North Star (1892) / Alsterufer (1898) / Suzanne Vinnen (1912) / Carrabin (1915), sunk 1 October 1917 by U96 fits your clues but I can't verify that North Star's sail plan fits the image.

 

I did find this image identified as the three-masted barque Trade Winds (originally Ophia according to the auction company), clearly a mistake. The auction company claimed documented provenance on the painting but the mistakes noted compared to the known facts below cast doubt on it. After all, how can anyone depend on a provenance researcher who clearly can't even count to four. The auctioneers also claimed that Trade Winds set a record carrying tea from Calcutta to London under the command of a Captain Le Patourel (1878-1953) in the late 19th century - at the age of 21 if the passage occurred in 1899 - which I find extremely improbable.

 

The Trade Winds (1891) four masted barque fits the sail plan (courses, double topsails and topgallants, and royals) of the image. She was sold to a German company and renamed Magdelene in 1899 and re-sold and re-renamed Ophelia in 1913. After WW1, she went into the nitrate trade and was broken up in 1923. She did set a record carrying 3100 tons of salt from Hamburg to Calcutta in 107 days in 1892 under the command of Captain Ritchie. There is no mention of a Captain Le Patourel in her records.

Edited October 25, 2013 by DFellingham

[molasses]

Here's a painting of Gustav the ex-Austrasia in 1910. Built in 1892, sold and renamed Gustav then sold again in 1927 and renamed Melbourne. She was run down and sank with the loss of 10 of her 25 man crew. The captain of MT Seminole was found at fault for failing to yield the right of way to a sailing ship.

 

I know that this history doesn't match with the clues given but the painting is a match for the one presented even to the two life rings on the taffrail.

 

 

close-up of the name on the bow.

 

Confusing, ain't it?

 

Dave

[molasses]

Kenilworth (1887) after being re-rigged as a barque matches the sail plan of the mystery ship, but was described as flush-decked. Sold to Alaska Packers Association and renamed Star of Scotland in 1908. Sold and renamed Rex and used as a gambling ship off Santa Monica, CA in 1938. Sold and re-rigged as a six-masted schooner in 1941, re-named Star of Scotland in 1942. Sunk by U159 later that year.

Edited October 25, 2013 by DFellingham

[st george]

Just got home.

 

Kenilworth is correct Dave. Your turn.

[molasses]

Here's two photos of the same ship.

 

Port quarter view taken during sea trials.

(Retouched to remove her name above LONDON across the stern.)

 

Starboard bow view taken after her parent company reorganized soon after WW1 and changed the company paint scheme. Notes with the negative of this photo state that the narrow white stripe was retouched; it may not be as prominent on other photos of this ship.

 

More photos from a later periods show her with other paint schemes.

 

Good luck!

 

Dave

Edited October 26, 2013 by DFellingham

[amateur]

These ships I Always think 'white star'

 

Beautiful ship, btw.

 

Jan

[st george]

Should be easy, I've used this ship before.

[amateur]

On MSW1 we used to have a list of ships used. That would make such a hint more easy to follow up....

 

Jan

[molasses]

Jan:  her name did not end in "-ic". 

 

David:  I saw the pair of opposite end photos of her and couldn't resist. 

[realworkingsailor]

RMS Empress of Asia, 1913

 

Thought I recognized a CP steamship.....

[molasses]

Empress of Asia is correct.

 

In February 1942, she was part of a convoy bound for Singapore in an attempt to prevent the Japanese from capturing the city and port (the defense subsequently failed). On 5 February, the convoy was attacked in the approaches to Singapore from the air with dive bomber attacks concentrated on Empress of Asia carrying about 1900 Canadian troops and a hold full of arms and munitions. She took several hits amidships from incendiary bombs and was immediately set ablaze from the bridge to about the third stack. Only her master's quick thinking and ordering of the troops to assemble at their muster stations in the bow and stern as the Japanese planes approached prevented a far larger loss of life than the 16 men who died in the attack. 1884 men were rescued with the master being the last to leave. She sank the following day. None of the cargo was salvageable.

 

Here's a pre-war photo of her.

 

 

 

Your turn RWS.

[realworkingsailor]

I've got one lined up, just hang 'til 20:00 EDT

[realworkingsailor]

As promised.

 

Any of her names may do.

 

 

Edited October 27, 2013 by realworkingsailor

[molasses]

William P. Snyder, Jr (1912) and its sister Col. James M. Schoonmaker (1911), both owned and operated by the Shenango Furnace Company (William P. Snyder, Sr, owner), were the two largest bulk freighters in the world until 1937. They were sold in 1968 and 1969, respectively. Snyder, Jr was scrapped in 1988 and Schoonmaker is scheduled to open as a museum ship next April in Toledo, Ohio.

 

I believe this is Snyder, Jr. but I can't distinguish between the two other than by the name that is mysteriously absent from the photo. 

 

Here's Schoonmaker.

 

See what I mean?

 

Here she is again restored to her original colors and riding high.

 

 

Dave

Edited October 27, 2013 by DFellingham

[realworkingsailor]

Well, it's not the schoonmaker. But it is the Snyder. Still sailing today as the St. Mary's Challenger. The oldest continuously working laker currently.

 

Andy

Edited October 27, 2013 by realworkingsailor

[molasses]

Jan:  I think you're confusing the William P. Snyder (2006), currently St. Mary's Challenger, with the William P. Snyder, Jr. (1911), the name connected with the photo you posted, scrapped in 1988. Snyder Jr and Schoonmaker both had wings on the bridge and were 591 and 617 feet long, respectively, while Snyder didn't have the wings and was 551 feet long. Here's a photo of the Shenango Furnace Company fleet taken between 1913 and 1925, approximately the same time as the photo you posted.

 

(Left to right) Col. James M. Schoonmaker, William P. Snyder Jr., Shenango, William P. Snyder and Wilpen.

 

St. Mary's Challenger in 2009. Notice the lack of bridge wings compared to those in the photo you posted, the current photo of Col. James M. Schoonmaker, and the above photo.

 

Schoonmaker (named Willis B. Boyer at the time) and Snyder Jr in 1984. Notice the similar bridge wings that are different from those on St. Mary's Challenger. 

 

The photo you posted, identified as William P. Snyder Jr., with the name intact. Although the name isn't legible it looks more like "William P. Snyder Jr." than "William P. Snyder".

 

I'm waiting for confirmation that my guess of William P. Snyder Jr. for the photo you posted is correct and that it is not William P. Snyder, as you claim, before I post my next mystery ship. I decline the "win" if I'm wrong.

 

Dave

 

P.S.  My source for the old b&w photos of Snyder Jr, Schoonmaker and the Shenango Company fleet was  http://www.oocities.org/thetropics/1965/shenhist.htm

I was able to confirm the information presented there at several other websites.

Edited October 27, 2013 by DFellingham

[amateur]

Now we are really confused

Andy, please help us out.

 

Jan

[realworkingsailor]

For the sake of simplicity... It has to go to Dave... I think I missed the "jr" when I went for the photo... My bad... He still guessed the right ship, though not the one I intended...

 

Andy

[amateur]

tchtchtch.... Andy making mistakes on Lakers....

Not your lucky day, today  

 

Jan

Edited October 27, 2013 by amateur

[realworkingsailor]

Too much haste to get something posted before the crowd mutineed....

[molasses]

No problem, Andy, very understandable.

 

Name the Ship:

 

Retouched to remove the ship's and owner's names.

 

Good luck!

Dave

[amateur]

I know what it is: it's a paddle steamer :D

 

Jan

[amateur]

And aren't we all in the same family :)

 

Jan

[molasses]

Two clues:

 

1)  The towing knees on her bow should tell you how she was used.

 

2)  The photo is from 1945, shortly after she was sold and renamed to the name she carries today; she is the only one of her kind in existence.

 

Dave

[st george]

W.P. Snyder Jr. Steamboat that was used to push coal barges up and down the Monongahela River from 1918 through 1953.

[molasses]

W. P. Snyder, Jr is correct, David, a "pool-type" towboat specifically constructed to clear low bridges including hinged and counter-balanced stacks and flag staffs fore and aft that slip fit in sockets for easy removal.

 

She was renamed for the president, William P. Snyder, Jr., of Crucible Steel Company of America (formerly Shenango Furnace Company) when purchased in 1945. Mr. Snyder donated W. P. Snyder, Jr to the Ohio Historical Society in 1955 and it is now the center-piece of the Ohio River Museum in Marrieta, Ohio. Here's a recent photo.

 

 

Your turn, David.