Do you think this crazy idea is feasible?

[Ulises Victoria]

Hello all.

I have this crazy idea.

The idea is build the CAF 1/48 HMS Enterprise and then complete it by building the masting and rigging using the HMS Surprise in 1/48 parts and plans (which I abandoned)

A monster project!!!

Do you think is possible to do, and what difficulties I may encounter? Would you encourage or discourage this project?

 

Thank you all.

[Jaager]

Look up Enterprise in whatever tables of masting and rigging are closest to its year and list them by spar and line.

Look up Surprise and do the same. 

If they are the same:

Mic the spars in the kit and tightly coil each type the rigging line around a dowel and count the number of coils in a 1 inch distance. The number of coils divided into 1 yields the diameter.  The tables are probably line circumference, so the table numbers divided by pi are your values for comparison.   If the kit numbers match the chart you made up for Enterprise then -- well the spar and line stock has to come from somewhere, so why not.  But the research of Enterprise masting and rigging scatlings needs  to be done first.

 

I forgot the blocks - do the same with them.

Block size is determined by the size of its line.

On an actual ship there is a variety of line diameter.  In scale a lot of that diameter is too close to differentiate. It simplifies things a bit.

Unless a ship is one of the rare ones with individual masting and rigging data,  A kit mfg would or should have done the same lookup.

It is then a matter of you being able to accept the compromises made for the material in the kit.

Edited November 22, 2023 by Jaager

[GrandpaPhil]

Shipyard makes a 1/96 HMS Enterprise card kit that runs about $38 at Ages Of Sail.

 

It will have the exact masting and rigging plans for the Enterprise.

 

Shipyard’s kits are amazingly detailed and designed.

 

Then you could cann materials from your Surprise kit to use on your Enterprise.

Edited November 22, 2023 by GrandpaPhil

[markjay]

Go for it.

[allanyed]

On 11/21/2023 at 9:49 PM, Ulises Victoria said:

HMS Surprise

Hi UV

There are similarities in size and era of the two ships assuming you are talking about the Surprise, nee Unite  captured in 1797 and the Enterprise of 1774.  The idea seems like a fun project but I would use an additional source to confirm the rigging. The rigging on British ships changed a lot in 1794 so IF your Surprise plans are accurate they still may not be applicable to the rigging on Enterprise.  For example. the length of the main mast was a proportion of the beam in 1773 but by 1794 it was a proportion of the EXTREME beam + lower deck.   You can check all the dimensions using the Danny Vadas spread sheet in the Article database here at MSW.  It is a match to Lees Masting and Rigging for the two eras of your ships so you can make a comparison of the two eras and your kit plans and go from there.

Allan

[Ed Mostowicz]

Jaager notes a good method for determining the diameter of our rigging line, but I don't agree with coiling the line tightly around a dowel. This will stretch the line and result in a smaller diameter than it is. Instead, I wind the line just tight enough to stay in place and then push it lightly against the preceding coil. I'll do this 3 or 4 times and take the average. You can use any size dowel that's comfortable to hold. For the lightest line, I make 2 marks on the dowel 1/2-inch apart and double the number of coils before dividing by 1. Yeah, I know, very fiddly, but I'm a Virgo, it's what we do.