Malcolm Brown Posted March 16 Author Share #31 Posted March 16 Installed port-side bowsprit shrouds earlier this week. Turned out ‘ok’ but taming the fuzzies while manipulating the lanyards through the hearts and keeping them neatly aligned was a challenge. As always, lanyard and shroud ropes were pulled through beeswax. I noted the beeswax was very visible and clumpy so I tried the trick of running the coated thread over a light bulb to seal the wax. Even a 40W bulb generates quite a bit of surface heat! Seemed to work reasonably well but not consistently as is evident in the foremost lanyard. I’m wondering if my beeswax needs to be ‘reconstituted’ or something by warming it. Any tips or hints would be appreciated. I am doing my build in the lower level of our house so it’s inherently cooler. You may have noticed I dispensed with thimbles on the hooks (I currently don't have any) and just realised I didn’t twist the hooks at a right angle to the the eye - should I have? Still trying to achieve a good and repeatable seizing & serving technique. Next up, starboard-side shrouds and bobstays. dafi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Brown Posted March 16 Author Share #32 Posted March 16 The mail carrier was good to me this week (as I sprinted to the mailbox ahead of my wife😱). I’m still far off from serving shrouds but I’m glad to have my Serv-O-Matic at my disposal. The rigging book will be a great complement to the other books I have already. I love the fact that it’s almost entirely pictorial 😁👍 I managed to snag this near-perfect used copy from eBay at half the price of new. Knocklouder, dafi, ccoyle and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_Grant Posted March 16 Share #33 Posted March 16 Hi Malcolm; Your rigging is looking nice. I had similar issues with beeswax - lanyard threads looked great until I pulled them through 3 blocks, or six times through deadeye holes, then the fuzzies reappeared. Especially with my .1mm natural for some reason. I smoothed them again between my fingers, where feasible. Later in the build you'll be finding bits of beeswax on the decks too .... 😠 Out of curiosity, what are the natural threads coming out of the hull forward of the bowsprit shroud ends? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Brown Posted March 16 Author Share #34 Posted March 16 47 minutes ago, Ian_Grant said: Hi Malcolm; Your rigging is looking nice. I had similar issues with beeswax - lanyard threads looked great until I pulled them through 3 blocks, or six times through deadeye holes, then the fuzzies reappeared. Especially with my .1mm natural for some reason. I smoothed them again between my fingers, where feasible. Later in the build you'll be finding bits of beeswax on the decks too .... 😠 Out of curiosity, what are the natural threads coming out of the hull forward of the bowsprit shroud ends? Thanks, Ian! I’ll see if I can smooth those fuzzies as you pointed out. LOL, so I guess I can expect those random bits of beeswax will just keep be reappearing. Like those explosive darts Wiley Coyote deployed to attack the Road Runner, only to have them reappear constantly during his subsequent attempts to snag that annoying little *@#&^! Talk about random 🤦♂️ Good catch on the natural threads coming out of the hull. They are from my original bobstay configuration that followed the Heller instructions, i.e., where the 2 segments of the outermost bobstay originated in the hull and had two splices. Dafi corrected me on this so those are now removed and, per his guidance, I drilled a 3rd hole below the original 2. dafi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_Grant Posted March 17 Share #35 Posted March 17 I love the road runner 'toons and all the "Acme" parcel deliveries. I read somewhere that they've all been "sanitized" now to make them less violent. Sigh. Malcolm Brown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Brown Posted March 17 Author Share #36 Posted March 17 10 hours ago, Ian_Grant said: I read somewhere that they've all been "sanitized" now to make them less violent. Sigh. No kidding. I expect Elmer Fudd has been disarmed by now. Humour has left the building 🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted March 17 Share #37 Posted March 17 14 hours ago, Ian_Grant said: I love the road runner 'toons These are (were?) IMO the most laugh-out-loud of all the Looney Tunes cartoons. Malcolm Brown 1 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Salmson 2, Speeljacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_Grant Posted March 17 Share #38 Posted March 17 8 minutes ago, ccoyle said: These are (were?) IMO the most laugh-out-loud of all the Looney Tunes cartoons. With the possible exception of the Tweety/Sylvester episode where Tweety's cage is by a 2nd floor window, and the little old lady keeps about 60 dogs in her yard. My favourite part is Sylvester reaches the window on stilts, then Tweety throws a bunch of wood saws to the dogs and we see the cat beating a hasty retreat but getting ever lower to the sound of saws. I still laugh just thinking about it. Sorry to digress in your log, Malcolm. Carry on ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Brown Posted March 17 Author Share #39 Posted March 17 40 minutes ago, ccoyle said: These are (were?) IMO the most laugh-out-loud of all the Looney Tunes cartoons. 100% 😁👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Brown Posted March 17 Author Share #40 Posted March 17 26 minutes ago, Ian_Grant said: Sorry to digress in your log, Malcolm. Carry on ...... Ha ha, no worries I love digression (especially when I’m trying figure out how to strop 2mm blocks!). I love those episodes too but I’m a Rabbit of Seville kinda guy: 🎶Welcome to my shop, let me cut your mop, let me shave your crop, daintily, daintily...🎶😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knocklouder Posted March 17 Share #41 Posted March 17 (edited) I must say your are really doing an amazing job, stay close to NRG/MSW and you'll get all the help you need .awesome amount of details on your first.build, I am going to pull up a chair and watch this amazing build come to completion rigging and all. Bob M. Ps Captain Marvin Building Inspector Edited March 17 by Knocklouder More info Ian_Grant 1 Quote Start so you can Finish !! Finished: The Santa Maria -Amati 1:65, La Pinta- Amati 1:65, La Nina -Amati 1:65 , Hannah Ship in a Bottle -1:300 The Sea of Galilee Boat-Scott Miller-1:20 ,The Mayflower Amati 1:60, Viking Ship Drakkar-1:50 non Ship Build: 1972 Ford Sport Custom Truck Current Build: King of the Mississippi-Artesania Latina-1:80 On Hold: HMS Pegasus: Amati Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Brown Posted March 17 Author Share #42 Posted March 17 Well, I finished the starboard bowsprit shrouds and installed the bobstays. Fuzzies abound and one of the bobstay lanyards got away on me length wise 🤷♂️ As my daughter would say they’re kinda, meh 🫤 dafi, Hubac's Historian and ccoyle 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Brown Posted March 17 Author Share #43 Posted March 17 19 minutes ago, Knocklouder said: must say your are really doing an amazing job, stay close to NRG/MSW and you'll get all the help you need .awesome amount of details on your first.build, I am going to pull up a chair and watch this amazing build come to completion rigging and all. Thank you so much! This group is off the charts amazing. I love the feedback, helpfulbuilding tips, and the camaraderie that goes with it 😊👍 Oh, and back atcha 😁 Ian_Grant, Knocklouder, ccoyle and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Brown Posted March 17 Author Share #44 Posted March 17 I’m still focused on the bowsprit at the moment so now that I’ve mapped out the various lines, how they’re routed, and the associated blocks and other rigging bits, I tried my hand at making the jib traveller. On reflection, I realised that although this is a kit, there’s still a certain amount a scratch building required so it makes for a good blend of skills. Anyway, I’m quite pleased with the results. I started with the shackle and bent a length of wire around a 1mm drill bit for the ‘eyes’. No idea what gauge the wire is but it too is about 1mm. Repeated for the other side and got pretty close to the desired shape. Moved on to the main ring and wrapped same wire around the end of a pencil. On page 224 Longridge states the travellers (rings) are, “considerably larger than the circumference of the spars to enable them to move freely”. I did a test fit and the circumference seemed about right. I cut off the extra lengths of wire with my Dremel and left the end of the ring open so I could slide on the shackle and hook. I bent the stem of a brass eyelet for the hook and stropped two 2mm blocks, one per side. I superimposed my creation onto Longridge’s drawing and ‘reasonable facsimile’ comes to mind. I pinched the ends of the ring closer together and closed the gap with some thick CA. Note: I do not have any thimbles (there should be 4) so when I get to that point of the rigging, I’ll simply seize the appropriate lines around the traveller. Test fit on bowsprit. Not sure I have the orientation correct bit it fits. Phew 😮💨 Btw, if anyone has any suggestions as to how they strop 2mm blocks I’d love to hear them. They’re so diabolically small, to steady them, I first passed 2 wires through each of the holes and clamped them in my alligator clips. I then proceeded with the ‘stropping’ (that sounds like a punishment…arguably, at this scale, it is!😜). I tried two methods: 1. I tied a simple knot and sealed it with a tiny drop of CA. 2. I wrapped the line around the block, put a tiny drop of CA on the top of the block and proceeded to twist the two halves of the line together. One of each method is on my traveller. dafi, ccoyle, Knocklouder and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_Grant Posted March 17 Share #45 Posted March 17 Hi Malcolm, I sent you a PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Brown Posted March 17 Author Share #46 Posted March 17 29 minutes ago, Ian_Grant said: Hi Malcolm, I sent you a PM. Got it, thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Brown Posted March 20 Author Share #47 Posted March 20 (edited) I’m making steady progress on the bowsprit rigging and finally got around yesterday to installing the new resin knighthead (pictures below). But I have a question. Longridge’s Plan No. 10 (pg. 266) shows six purchases on the knighthead - shown below. The descriptions that follow in the relevant pages lead me to believe that these ‘purchases’ are the 6 Ringbolts installed on the knighthead. But the Fore Royal Stay (described on pg. 224) also finds purchase on the knighthead, per Longridge: “the Fore Royal Stay then makes fast to the fore stay collar, or with a purchase to the port knighthead”. 1. What/where is the Fore Stay Collar? The for royal stay passes through what Longridge describes as the 2nd bowsprit collar, the starboard side of which supports the block for the Flying Martingale. 2. Ignoring the above (since it’s an “or” statement), where on the knighthead does it purchase (the cleat?) and by what means (hook, eye splice, etc.)? It certainly starts to get crowded on the bowsprit. Note: the natural thread and black blocks are from the old Heller config and are to be removed. The tackle below is for the Fore Topgallant Stay. What do I do with the loose end - make a coil? And is this loose end what Longridge refers to as, the “fall”? Edited March 20 by Malcolm Brown dafi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_Grant Posted March 20 Share #48 Posted March 20 (edited) Hi Malcolm, The usual thing was to tighten the stay then frap the running end round and round between the blocks, like the wraps around the gammoning. Your other two black lines should have similar purchases using blocks, again with the running ends frapped around themselves. NOW it really gets crowded. In order to be completely accurate the fore topmast stay and preventer stay should have ""long tackle" blocks instead of a standard double (Pg 222). You can glue two different-sized blocks together, or just use doubles; I won't tell. ☺️ As for the fore royal stay, I tied it off to the forestay collar as Longridge mentions, reasoning that the knightheads were "full". The forestay collar is the loop at the base of the forestay that goes around the bowsprit (Fig 140, pg 214). The fore royal stay can be tied off to the port "leg" of the collar, above the bowsprit, below the heart, since this stay comes from a block on the port side of the bowsprit as you mentioned. Edited March 20 by Ian_Grant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Brown Posted March 20 Author Share #49 Posted March 20 2 hours ago, Ian_Grant said: Your other two black lines should have similar purchases using blocks, again with the running ends frapped around themselves. NOW it really gets crowded. Hi Ian, Many thanks for your guidance!! I was eager to install the resin knighthead so as I indicated in #25, I wanted to account for all of those purchases. LOL, I guess this is one case where I took Longridge a bit too literally. Is that even possible? For the Inner, Outer and Flying Martingales, he finishes the description by saying each of these “sets up with a purchase to the knight head”. Whereas, for the other three terminations - fore topmast stay & preventer stay, fore top gallant stay - he specifically mentions “tackle”. Obviously I interpreted this as meaning, tackle, no tackle 🤦♂️Good news is, I can fix this. dafi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Brown Posted March 20 Author Share #50 Posted March 20 2 hours ago, Ian_Grant said: As for the fore royal stay, I tied it off to the forestay collar as Longridge mentions, What does “tied off” look like - with a clove hitch around the collar? dafi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_Grant Posted March 21 Share #51 Posted March 21 2 hours ago, Malcolm Brown said: Hi Ian, Many thanks for your guidance!! I was eager to install the resin knighthead so as I indicated in #25, I wanted to account for all of those purchases. LOL, I guess this is one case where I took Longridge a bit too literally. Is that even possible? For the Inner, Outer and Flying Martingales, he finishes the description by saying each of these “sets up with a purchase to the knight head”. Whereas, for the other three terminations - fore topmast stay & preventer stay, fore top gallant stay - he specifically mentions “tackle”. Obviously I interpreted this as meaning, tackle, no tackle 🤦♂️Good news is, I can fix this. Yes, a "purchase" means a tackle of some sort involving one or more multi-sheaved blocks. Except a simple whip which is a single block. Luckily you can trim your lines shorter to add a block, no need to stretch any. 🙂 Malcolm Brown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_Grant Posted March 21 Share #52 Posted March 21 2 hours ago, Malcolm Brown said: What does “tied off” look like - with a clove hitch around the collar? Good question. Being standing rigging I expect it would run round the collar and be seized securely to itself. God knows what I actually did on my model; it's hard to even see now. Malcolm Brown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafi Posted March 21 Share #53 Posted March 21 Great work. Interestingly, when comparing McKay + Longridge with Steel, I noticed that Steel replaced most of the long tackles with normal double blocks. Only not those on the forestays, which are still listed there as with long tackles. I usually fix the fall with a half hitch between block and hook and, depending on the situation, either wrap the overlength in a bunch or wrap the rest around the fall, which I would do on the stays. XXXDAn Ian_Grant and Malcolm Brown 2 Quote To victory and beyond! http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/76-hms-victory-by-dafi-to-victory-and-beyond/ See also our german forum for Sailing Ship Modeling and History: http://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/ Finest etch parts for HMS Victory 1:100 (Heller Kit) and other useful bits. http://dafinismus.de/index_en.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Brown Posted March 24 Author Share #54 Posted March 24 In between watching the Women’s World Curling Gold medal game (GO team Homan!), I tackled (literally) the starboard side purchases on the knighthead. Worked my way over to the port side and did same, with slightly different treatment of the loose ends. Temporarily parked the Fore Royal Stay on the cleat on the port knighthead since, as Longridge states, the Fore Royal Stay “makes fast to the fore stay collar, or with a purchase to the port knighthead” 🤷♂️ Loosely installed the gangboard/mariner walk and port boomkin. Top view of gangboard/mariner walk I see I have the opening for the Main Preventer Stay a couple of grates further forward than others I see in this forum. Is that an issue? I also see I have the main and preventer stay collars reversed (an easy fix). Fashioned a temporary collar with the three thimbles (the centre of which supports the fore topgallant stay) from .75mm thread reinforced with CA. The collar wraps around the “necking of the jibboom”, as described by Longridge. I call it temporary but since it’s a fairly obscure bit of detail it may end up being the permanent solution. dafi, Knocklouder and Ian_Grant 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Brown Posted March 31 Author Share #55 Posted March 31 I suppose most or all of us can say that, at some point in our modelling endeavours, we have walked a mile in Horatio Nelson’s shoes. I just started reading a biography of Nelson entitled, Nelson, Love and Fame by Edgar Vincent. The opening chapter profiles a very young Nelson during his early years and when he first joined the merchant marine at the age of 13 to start learning the skills of seamanship. As described in the highlighted passage below, the young Nelson had also entered “a new world of overwhelming strangeness”. I sure can relate to that, as I attempted to point out in #25!😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Brown Posted April 1 Author Share #56 Posted April 1 (edited) Finished rigging out the carronades adding the necessary ring bolts to the carriage, barrel and inner bulwark. I’m still trying to find a good and repeatable process for stropping blocks but threading thin wire through the blocks and then clamping them helps to stabilize them. At this scale, even the finest of thread has a certain amount of ‘spring’ to it forcing the near-weightless gun carriage out of its pivot. As such, I lengthened the pivot with a short section of carbon fibre rod. After hooking up the tackle, I dampened the thread with a wet paint brush to get it to lay flat(ter) on the deck. I considered adding a weight to the underside of the carriage but it seems to be working out ok as is. Way back (mid 80s) when I first assembled the cannon one trick I had read about to give the barrels a more metallic appearance was to rub powdered graphite on the barrels after painting them black. This is achieved by rubbing a pencil over a piece of sandpaper. A carpenter’s pencil is best. I suppose nowadays there’s a paint that would do the same but the graphite did its job quite well giving the barrels a bot of a metallic sheen. Comparing this picture to Longridge gun tackle (fig. 67), I see I have the single and double blocks and where they are hooked reversed. That’s an easy fix. Note: all of the old netting and plastic stanchions will be replaced. With a compass, I scribed an arc on the deck where the carriage would travel on its rollers. May need to darken it some, albeit, it’ll be near invisible to anyone but myself 😁 Added a coil of rope beside the knighthead to mimic the image in Longridge Plate 72. For the purists, maaaybe that’ll compensate for the fact that I dispensed with a long-tackle 😁 A short length of wire drilled through and glued in the end of the boomkin will help to locate it in the hole in the resin knighthead. Fashioned a rail and stanchion with wire and trial fitted the fore netting. Edited April 1 by Malcolm Brown Ian_Grant and dafi 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Brown Posted April 16 Author Share #57 Posted April 16 (edited) I’m almost resentful of this fine spring weather as it takes me away from the ‘dock yards’ and my work on Victory. I said almost. 😊☀️ Regardless, in between outdoor chores I’m making slow but steady progress on the bow. ‘Guys’ and Martingales rigged and under tension, Jib inhaul & outhaul installed, spritsail yard sling & horses installed (jib boom horses were already in place), fore netting and gangboard netting ‘sewn’ in place. I’m quickly running out of real estate on the jib boom but I still have lots more to go (rigging AND questions 😉). Comments, questions, and suggestions, always welcomed! In the meantime, I have a few questions of my own. Many thanks in advance! Eye bolts on bowsprit block: How many are there? I can account for 4: 2 on the upper port/SB edges for the gangboard netting. One on the port fore face for the jib outhauler and another one the SB side for the jib inhauler. I’m certain there’s at least 2 more - for the halliards? Plus, there appears to a pair of blocks lashed to the block. Ropes that belay on the timber heads: Longridge makes no mention of 'excess' rope. Do a make a coil of rope for each timber head? ‘Guy’ tackle: I left plenty of excess rope where the tackle hooks to an eyebolt at the beakhead bulkhead, but how do these finish - as with the other tackle, do I frap around the running end a couple of turns between the blocks? Eye bolts at the base of the masts: per the below sketch, is this the correct arrangement? I had originally glued fast the spritsail & spritsail topsail yards against the bowsprit & jib boom. This made the area even more difficult to work around so I carefully prised these off and installed a dowel and a small wire and so the yards would hang slightly below the bowsprit and jib boom. Maaybe a bit too low on the spritsail yard but the extra clearance helps with all the rigging bits that are starting to accumulate. I fashioned eyes from thread hardened with a touch of CA in place of the thimbles specified by Longridge for the guys. The mandatory jars of Branston pickle for our Saint George’s Day get together this coming Saturday (official day is Sunday) 😁🏴 Edited April 16 by Malcolm Brown Ian_Grant, ccoyle and dafi 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted April 16 Share #58 Posted April 16 10 hours ago, Malcolm Brown said: I’m almost resentful of this fine spring weather as it takes me away from the ‘dock yards’ Same here! Scottish Guy and Malcolm Brown 2 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Salmson 2, Speeljacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Guy Posted April 16 Share #59 Posted April 16 10 hours ago, Malcolm Brown said: I’m almost resentful of this fine spring weather as it takes me away from the ‘dock yards’ and my work on Victory. I said almost. 😊☀️ Regardless, in between outdoor chores Same here in good old Scotland ^^ but what are you doing with the Branston Pickles? Hopefully eating Micha Quote "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." Jacques - Yves Cousteau. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Current Build: "Roar Ege" by Billing Boats - 1:25 On Hold: n/a Finished: n/a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Brown Posted April 16 Author Share #60 Posted April 16 6 hours ago, Scottish Guy said: Same here in good old Scotland ^^ but what are you doing with the Branston Pickles? Hopefully eating Oh yes, Branston is God’s condiment. I’ll be serving it up with some good ‘ol pub fare with cheese, crusty bread, my homemade Scotch Eggs and a pint or two of draught beer! 😋 To top it all off, a wee dram of single malt from Campbeltown, Argyll, aka, the ‘Wee Toon’ from whence my family originates🏴😁 Scottish Guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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