Darius359au Posted February 25 Share #1 Posted February 25 Due to a save from a near disaster I am now in need of measurements for the quarterdeck skylight on my victory models pegasus - after somehow clipping the shelf i store pegasus on and nearly dropping her ,the skylight has been launched into the void! I'm wondering if anyone whose built pegasus and added details still have any measurement for the modded skylights they made? ,or can direct me somewhere that would have any. Richard Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted February 25 Share #2 Posted February 25 (edited) Hi Richard This is really interesting. Neither of the QD or inboard profile contemporary plans of Pegasus 1776 show a skylight, just gratings and ladderways. Perhaps the skylight was added later but she sunk 10 months after being launched. I thought maybe the draftsman just left it off the drawing but, while it is a larger ship of which there was a Pegasus (28) 1779 in the group it is very clearly shown on the Enterprize (28) 1774 drawings (second set below). I would think that if there was supposed to be a skylight when launched, it would be on the original plans. If you just leave it off the model, it can be argued, based on contemporary evidence, it never existed. Allan https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-84573 https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-84575 https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-83179 also available in high resolution on the Wiki Commons site https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-83181 also available in high resolution on the Wiki Commons site Edited February 25 by allanyed Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius359au Posted February 25 Author Share #3 Posted February 25 @allanyed the kit quarterdeck has a skylight between the grating and the mizzen mast! ,I think it's on the NMM Pegasus quarterdeck plan, there's the large section with "grating" written in it then there's the next section towards the stern with no writing in it and it's in the right place for the kit's skylight. mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution dvm27 Posted February 25 Solution Share #4 Posted February 25 David Antscherl, in The Fully Framed Model, Volume 11, discusses this issue and concludes that either a grating or clerestory-style companionway would be appropriate for a 1779 vessel of 300 tons. On my Pegasus model I opted for the more visually interesting clerestory-style companion. allanyed, Knocklouder, Keith Black and 3 others 6 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted February 25 Share #5 Posted February 25 (edited) 11 hours ago, Darius359au said: I think it's on the NMM Pegasus quarterdeck plan, there's the large section with "grating" written The inboard profile confirms these are gratings and a ladder way as there is nothing above the deck indicating a skylight which could be instead of, or in addition to, gratings and ladderway. Pegasus was launched in 1776 and fitted out in January 1777 and the RGM plans were drawn between late 1776 and early 1777 so might be as-built plans. If you look at the Pegasus drawings from 1775 (https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-84572) there are differences between this design drawing and the drawing made at about the time of her launch. (https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-84573) Greg makes a good point that the clerestory-style companionway may be appropriate, but I just wondered why the kit plans do not match the originals as there is nothing to indicate there was such a companion way. In TFFM David does state that the inclusion of a companion top is a thorny subject, He goes on to say ships-of-the-line had clerestory style lights from about 1750 that could be removed and replaced by gratings. And, as Greg points out TFFM makes note there was a reference from 1779 that allowed sloops of 300 tons to have one companion. As Pegasus sunk two years before that, I am not totally convinced she ever had one, but as with so many things in our hobby, who knows? No matter, I agree with Greg that they add character to the deck layout and you should go with what makes you happy. Allan Edited February 25 by allanyed tlevine, mtaylor, Knocklouder and 1 other 4 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius359au Posted February 25 Author Share #6 Posted February 25 Thanks for you replies Greg and Allan ,Ironically I've got book 2 of the fully framed model yet for some reason I didnt think about looking in it... I've got enough to go on with and it's not critical to have in place now so I can add it later. Richard allanyed and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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