SpencerC Posted September 24, 2013 Share #1 Posted September 24, 2013 A few things on the plans of my clipper model i was curious as to what they were. If you could also provide maybe a picture of each item too? the plans are such bad resolution i cant get a good look at them. the one model thats been made of this ship has a completely different layout than what is shown in my set of plans. Any help is greatly appreciated. While we're at it could someone maybe explain why this person did the layout differently? heres the link to the model pictures: http://www.vallejogallery.com/item.php?id=1934 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpencerC Posted September 24, 2013 Author Share #2 Posted September 24, 2013 forgot to attach the pic lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted September 24, 2013 Share #3 Posted September 24, 2013 At position "1" you have the binnacle, that is certain. Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted September 24, 2013 Share #4 Posted September 24, 2013 And at "17" hatch cover Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted September 24, 2013 Share #5 Posted September 24, 2013 Pos. "0" might be the wheel house Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 24, 2013 Share #6 Posted September 24, 2013 Spencer, Starting from forward, your four items are: 1. A cargo hatch, but with a solid covering of hatch boards and tarpaulins, not as wrongly shown in this restoration, with gratings. 2. A dolly winch for working cargo, but without the gypsies for the anchor cable. 3. A small compass binnacle - perhaps a bit like this one. 4. A steering box. John trippwj and augie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpencerC Posted September 24, 2013 Author Share #7 Posted September 24, 2013 I thought the dolly winch is that thing on the other side of the mast? and also if that is the wheelbox then what is this grated looking thing in front of it on the overhead deck view, and on the side view what is the thing sticking up in front of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippwj Posted September 24, 2013 Share #8 Posted September 24, 2013 The grating near the wheel box would likely be for the helmsman to stand upon, and the thing sticking up is the wheel. dafi 1 Quote WayneNeither should a ship rely on one small anchor, nor should life rest on a single hope.Epictetus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafi Posted September 24, 2013 Share #9 Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) ... and the thing sticking up is the wheel. RotFlbtC Sorry, that made my day! Daniel PS: The thing on the other side of the mast could be the pump. Edited September 24, 2013 by dafi Quote To victory and beyond! http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/76-hms-victory-by-dafi-to-victory-and-beyond/ See also our german forum for Sailing Ship Modeling and History: http://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/ Finest etch parts for HMS Victory 1:100 (Heller Kit) and other useful bits. http://dafinismus.de/index_en.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 25, 2013 Share #10 Posted September 25, 2013 Yep, sure looks like the pumps abaft the mainmast. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpencerC Posted September 27, 2013 Author Share #11 Posted September 27, 2013 so can anyone say why the guy who made th model in the link i posted did the layout of the deck differently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 27, 2013 Share #12 Posted September 27, 2013 Beats me, mate! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpencerC Posted September 27, 2013 Author Share #13 Posted September 27, 2013 Would it be possible that her layout changed over time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpencerC Posted September 27, 2013 Author Share #14 Posted September 27, 2013 That model was actually part of the Vallejo gallery so it has to be historically accurate.. So now I'm wondering if my plans are off or if this guy is doing it wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 27, 2013 Share #15 Posted September 27, 2013 Spencer, Which Ariel are you building? I believe the famous tea clipper build by Steel in 1865 was flush decked, while your plan shows a ship with a raised poop and forecastle. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpencerC Posted September 28, 2013 Author Share #16 Posted September 28, 2013 That's the one I'm building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpencerC Posted September 28, 2013 Author Share #17 Posted September 28, 2013 My plans are of the 1865 one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 28, 2013 Share #18 Posted September 28, 2013 Hmmm, looks like you have a problem with the plans. Everything I've been able to find shows her as being flush decked with a spar decking anchor deck forward. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippwj Posted September 29, 2013 Share #19 Posted September 29, 2013 (edited) I would need to agree with John. Looking at the reference model, she matches John's description, and the deck structures don't match what are shown on the plans - note the size of the aftmost deckhouse on the plans relative to the after structures on the model. Looking in MacGregor's The Tea Clippers Their History and Development 1833-1875 (1952), his deck plans (page 153) are very much the same as the model, and dramatically different from the plans you have. He includes some of the comments from the Lloyd's Register Survey: This ship has been built under special survey as per order No 346. Is ship-rigged and has a flush deck, with a small house on deck for galley &c forward. MacGregor also notes that the survey report specifies that there are one long boat and 2 others; Brown's (I.E., Brown & Harfield's) patent windlass; patent steering gear; wire standing rigging and hemp running rigging. According to MacGregor, his deck plan thus includes: A monkey forecastle with small capstan, mooring bitts, and ventilator to forecastle; the heads to each side of the monkey forecastle on the main deck, and in the center a scuttle leading to the forecastle 'tween decks. the B&H patent windlass abaft it; fore hatch; cargo winch; fife rail around the fore mast; deckhouse; long boat on chocks; main hatch and cargo winch; mainmast and pumps with fife rail each side; two boats on chocks with standard compass in between; quarter hatch; capstan with a ventilator on each side; sail hatch; mizen mast; companionway to after accommodations; skylight to saloon; binnacle and close abaft it a monkey poop on which is placed the wheel and wheel box. I will try and get a photo of the deck plans from MacGregor for you. Hope this helps! Edited September 29, 2013 by trippwj Quote WayneNeither should a ship rely on one small anchor, nor should life rest on a single hope.Epictetus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippwj Posted September 29, 2013 Share #20 Posted September 29, 2013 As promised - the profile and deck plan from MacGregor. augie and dafi 2 Quote WayneNeither should a ship rely on one small anchor, nor should life rest on a single hope.Epictetus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintrow Posted September 29, 2013 Share #21 Posted September 29, 2013 (edited) Spencer Your plans look like the ones one can download for free fro the Russian site. No provenance is given. They obviously are quite different, I have suspicions about the Russian plans authenticity. Tom Edited September 29, 2013 by twintrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippwj Posted September 29, 2013 Share #22 Posted September 29, 2013 (edited) Hey, Tom. The plans I posted are from MacGregor's The Tea Clippers Their History and Development 1833-1875 (1952). I will try and get a better picture of the description in there - I had a tough time trying to read it with a magnifying glass. Edited September 29, 2013 by trippwj Quote WayneNeither should a ship rely on one small anchor, nor should life rest on a single hope.Epictetus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye2sea Posted September 30, 2013 Share #23 Posted September 30, 2013 The Description reads that the deck plan is of the vessel Sir Lancelot. Also vessels Norman Court, Cutty Sark, Eliza Shaw, and Belle of Lagos Quote Henry Laissez le bon temps rouler ! Current Build: Le Soleil Royal Completed Build: Amerigo Vespucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 30, 2013 Share #24 Posted September 30, 2013 Henry, It actually says that those deck plans were used as part of the reconstruction of Ariel's deck plan. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpencerC Posted September 30, 2013 Author Share #25 Posted September 30, 2013 so what exactly am i building? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 30, 2013 Share #26 Posted September 30, 2013 I'm not exactly sure, but on reflection, that deck layout looks very similar to Cutty Sark. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippwj Posted September 30, 2013 Share #27 Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) agree (again) with John - the plans look very similar to the Cutty Sark deck arrangements. Edited September 30, 2013 by trippwj Quote WayneNeither should a ship rely on one small anchor, nor should life rest on a single hope.Epictetus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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