Olli Sukunimisson Posted September 13 #1 Posted September 13 She is huge. That was my first (and strong) impression when I opened the package I received in the mail. She is really huge. It’s not just about the size — the hull is only about a third longer than the Lady Nelson — but the thickness of the keel and the frames. I'm attaching a photo so you can see the comparison between the Lady Nelson, Speeljaht, and Duyfken. Yes, at this scale, you can work on the details even without a microscope. Everything looks in place, lovingly arranged and packed. Kolderstok was kind enough to include a small boat as a bonus. P.S. To be fair, the only thing that raised questions for me was the detail of the sculptures. After all, this lion only vaguely resembles a lion. On the other hand, there's plenty of time before they're installed. I'll think about it later. Maybe this is a good opportunity to learn wood carving or 3D printing. Ronald-V, SiriusVoyager, Baker and 2 others 5 Quote
Ronald-V Posted September 13 #2 Posted September 13 Interesting to see what you are going to do with this kit. About the sculptures...that's what's holding me back to buy these kits. The sculptures look really low in quality, with the new techniques available, you would say this could be way better/more detailed. And I think overall the kits can be a bit more refined/better scaled. That being said...i'm really glad there are manufacturers that produce Dutch ships and i'm hoping they are raise their game like Vanguard Models and Syren ship models to name a few do. Olli Sukunimisson 1 Quote Currently working on the HMS Sphinx from Vanguard Models
Olli Sukunimisson Posted September 15 Author #3 Posted September 15 The Duyfken from Kolderstok has a single-layered hull. I'm not sure if that's good or bad, but it definitely requires careful preparation for planking. Heh, I'm preparing for it with max possible attention Ronald-V, GrandpaPhil, ccoyle and 2 others 5 Quote
Olli Sukunimisson Posted September 17 Author #4 Posted September 17 The first piece of planking Ronald-V, GrandpaPhil, Baker and 1 other 4 Quote
Olli Sukunimisson Posted September 20 Author #5 Posted September 20 (edited) Duyfken is an unbelievably elegant ship. Do you see how whimsically curved the deck is?! Edited September 20 by Olli Sukunimisson GrandpaPhil, Christiaan Hendrickszoon, Baker and 3 others 6 Quote
Olli Sukunimisson Posted September 21 Author #6 Posted September 21 I’m almost done with the deck planking. I tried to come up with a pattern that would be slightly less regular than a typical chessboard. The first wale is starting to take shape. I hope my investment in professional ship modeling equipment will prove to be worthwhile. ccoyle, Knocklouder, GrandpaPhil and 4 others 7 Quote
Danstream Posted September 21 #7 Posted September 21 Good luck with this new build. About single or double planking, if you haven't already seen it, have a look at some considerations given here: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21306-double-planking-a-hull-pros-and-cons/ Best regards, Dan Olli Sukunimisson 1 Quote Current build : Mayflower - AL 1:64, Lady Nelson - Amati Victory 1:64 Completed non-ship builds : Spitfire MK I - 1:48, Arado 196B - 1:32, Sea Fury - 1:48, F-15C Eagle - 1:48, Hawker Tempest Mk.V - 1:48, F104S Starfighter - 1:48 "The most effective way to do it, is to do it" - Amelia Earhart
rcweir Posted September 21 #8 Posted September 21 Olli, your Duyfken build will be fun to follow. The criticisms of the sophistication of the Kolderstok line are valid, but I also think their kits are at least as exciting as the other manufacturers mentioned, but in a different way: who else has ever given us kits of the famous Dutch 17th types? For me, Kolderstok kits are a long-held dream come true. I'm very interested in hearing how your investigations of the carving develop. Are you thinking to do it digitally, or hand carve? Bob Ronald-V and Olli Sukunimisson 2 Quote Bob current build Dutch 17th Century Pinas - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 - Cross-Section upcoming builds past builds Statenjacht - Kolderstok - 1:50 USS Peary (DD 226) - Tehnoart Ltd - 1:96 (gallery) Fluytschip - Kolderstok - 1:72 USS DeHaven (DD 727) - Tehnoart Ltd - 1:192 back on the shelf USS Robert E. Peary (FF 1073) - 1:250 Mayflower - Model Shipways - 1:76.8
Olli Sukunimisson Posted September 21 Author #9 Posted September 21 Thanks, Bob! Agreed, the magnificent ships of the Golden Age are a unique offering, and Kolderstok seems almost like a monopolist in this niche. As for the wood carving, I haven’t fully decided yet. The easiest option is to order a model and 3D print it, but I’ll weigh the options and decide closer to the time. Hand carving would be cool, but I'm not quite confident in my artistic abilities. The next step, of course, will be a scratch build with a full set of frames! Baker and rcweir 2 Quote
Olli Sukunimisson Posted September 22 Author #10 Posted September 22 Plankpunk rcweir, Knocklouder, GrandpaPhil and 1 other 4 Quote
wmherbert Posted September 22 #11 Posted September 22 I'm curious . How are you using the cable ties? Bill Quote
Olli Sukunimisson Posted September 22 Author #12 Posted September 22 54 minutes ago, wmherbert said: I'm curious . How are you using the cable ties? Bill It's an experiment. They are cheap and seem to fit well with the clips and the size of the Duyfken frames. They look useful, but we'll see how it turns out. rcweir, Baker and GrandpaPhil 3 Quote
wmherbert Posted September 22 #13 Posted September 22 Interesting idea. It would be possible to buy long enough ones to go all the way around the hull to cinch planks tight. Getting clamps to work, particularly at the ends Is always a challenge . Especially as the spaces start getting tight. Bill Olli Sukunimisson 1 Quote
Olli Sukunimisson Posted September 27 Author #14 Posted September 27 Work in progress. It’s not fast, but I think it’s the right pace. I can’t afford to build a 200-euro ship every two weeks! GrandpaPhil 1 Quote
Louie da fly Posted September 27 #15 Posted September 27 The model may be big, but the full-sized replica/reconstruction is tiny! I went aboard her when she was being built, and they were giving away small off-cuts of oak from building her. I still have it. She's a beautiful vessel, but it's hard to believe something that small actually sailed to the other side of the world. Your model is going very well. I look forward to seeing more progress. Any chance of a photo of the 'lion' figurehead? Steven Olli Sukunimisson 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Olli Sukunimisson Posted September 27 Author #16 Posted September 27 Heh, I hope tomorrow I’ll get the chance to visit the Amsterdam Maritime Museum. This time, I know exactly what I want to see and which details I want to photograph. Yeah, such a tiny ship and such a long journey. For me, it’s also a matter of time. Imagine, they made this voyage at the very beginning of the 17th century. That’s unbelievable from the perspective of Eastern European history. Heh, such different levels of science—it feels like a live session of Civilization. As for the lion, it’s not a disaster, but you see—it’s a bit low-poly. I’ll try to improve it a bit. But come on, this is just a tiny detail of a beautiful ship GrandpaPhil and rcweir 2 Quote
Louie da fly Posted September 27 #17 Posted September 27 (edited) I see what you mean about the lion. It's plastic, is it? I'd say with a bit of work with a scalpel with a Number 11 blade, you might be able to improve the detailing and turn it into something worthwhile. Maybe a bit difficult to get it as good as the one on the full-sized ship (below), which is, frankly, superb - but certainly better than what they supplied you with. I've done a lot of woodcarving, but I wouldn't be able to get a result that good. Steven Edited September 27 by Louie da fly GrandpaPhil, Ronald-V, Olli Sukunimisson and 1 other 4 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Olli Sukunimisson Posted September 28 Author #18 Posted September 28 (edited) I met Hans and looked at his models offline. Hans is wonderful, and his ships are beautiful too. It’s funny that I recognized his ships first and only later noticed the name badge on his chest. I'm sure - my next project will be his speelyacht. She is perfect—at least to my eye. She has a beautiful balance of simplicity and detail. I’ve realized that overly complex models intimidate me. Not because of the amount of work, but due to a certain obsessive complexity. Details for the sake of detailing. I want the ship to be beautiful. And the hundred cannons on Victory—that's not about beauty, but about the power of a broadside! Without a doubt, this is just my own, and obviously mistaken, opinion. Edited September 28 by Olli Sukunimisson Ondras71, GrandpaPhil, Ronald-V and 1 other 4 Quote
Christiaan Hendrickszoon Posted September 28 #19 Posted September 28 When choosing a model to build, always follow your gut feeling. That is your gut feeling and therefore your choice can never be wrong. Olli Sukunimisson, Ronald-V and Ondras71 3 Quote
GrandpaPhil Posted September 28 #20 Posted September 28 2 hours ago, Olli Sukunimisson said: I want the ship to be beautiful. And the hundred cannons on Victory—that's not about beauty, but about the power of a broadside! You and me both. That’s why my Victory is only half complete and sits on a shelf now. Sometimes I get in the mood for a battle wagon and then I work on the Victory, but most of the time I want to work on those ships I find beautiful. Olli Sukunimisson and Ronald-V 2 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
Olli Sukunimisson Posted October 2 Author #21 Posted October 2 Hello, gentlemen. I didn’t post any photos because there’s nothing breathtaking to show. It’s just plank by plank work. No disasters, just quiet progress. I've set around half of the bottom level of planks. Danstream, Ronald-V, Knocklouder and 5 others 8 Quote
Olli Sukunimisson Posted October 4 Author #22 Posted October 4 Simple, elegant, and slightly archaic hull shape, paired with highly flexible soaked walnut—such a relief for a newbie like me. Knocklouder, SiriusVoyager, Ronald-V and 3 others 6 Quote
Louie da fly Posted October 5 #23 Posted October 5 Such a beautiful shape. Progressing well. Steven Olli Sukunimisson 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Olli Sukunimisson Posted October 7 Author #24 Posted October 7 Getting closer to the final. Wood is a lot like people—you can easily break them if you apply too much pressure. But if you keep them in a boiling water for 15 minutes, they will follow any of your requests. No, no, no—I wasn’t talking about punishment, as you might have thought. It was just a joke about saunas. And yes, a big thanks to Ronald-V—his planking inspired me. I'm just trying to create something similar. Danstream, Louie da fly, SiriusVoyager and 4 others 7 Quote
Olli Sukunimisson Posted October 12 Author #25 Posted October 12 Well, now I have something that's a cross between a violin and a skateboard. Just kidding. She's beautiful. druxey, Baker, ccoyle and 8 others 11 Quote
Olli Sukunimisson Posted October 12 Author #26 Posted October 12 The keel, like high heels, changes everything. Ronald-V, Baker, SiriusVoyager and 2 others 4 1 Quote
Baker Posted October 12 #27 Posted October 12 Great planking work 👍 Olli Sukunimisson 1 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum
Louie da fly Posted October 13 #28 Posted October 13 Making very good progress. Beautiful ship. Steven Olli Sukunimisson 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Olli Sukunimisson Posted October 13 Author #29 Posted October 13 Thank you very much, gentlemen. I am especially pleased to read your messages because you have been and continue to be my teachers. I tried to do everything as carefully as I can. It isn't perfectly yet, but yes, much better than last time :). Thank you, I’ll keep trying. PS: The ship is truly inspiring. She has her own charm and unique identity. PPS: Starting to dance around the stern ornaments. Heh, experiments, experiments, and more experiments ahead Baker 1 Quote
Olli Sukunimisson Posted October 14 Author #30 Posted October 14 Well, the initial approach to the stern ornaments looks welll... promising. The dove (it is a dove!) still needs some explanation, but the frames seem doable, don't they rcweir, Baker, Christiaan Hendrickszoon and 2 others 5 Quote
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