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rcweir replied to tlevine's topic in - Kit build logs for subjects built from 1751 - 1800
I share the enthusiasm, in spades! Toni's half hull project came at a perfect time for me and this project does, too. I can hardly wait.- 14 replies
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I've just finished reading Learmont's Master in Sail, and since I didn't find any mention of Capt. Learmont on MSW, I thought it was worth adding a note about his book. It's an autobiography of a Scottish merchant captain who sailed deep sea ships from 1887-1910. Learmont is a no-nonsense writer, but his accounts of his voyages are rivetting. I think anyone who's read and enjoyed The Last Grain Race or Two Years Before the Mast will find Learmont's book is a great companion to them. His details of navigation, sailing, handling cargos and owners, all are fascinating. My edition is, I think, the first one dated 1950 and published by Percival Marshall. It's not illustrated, but the book is easily findable on bookfinder.com and some editions do have photos. I also note that Alan Villiers mentions Learmont in several places in The Way of a Ship. It's clear that Villiers thinks highly of Learmont, and one of his comments about how to be successful sailing around the Horn is almost a direct quote from Learmont. All in all, I found it a wonderful account.
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I'd use baltic birch plywood for the bulkheads and clear white pine for the hull planking and most everything else. I once made a 17' kayak, with 1/4" strips for the hull (red cedar & white pine) covered in plexiglass, and that project has some similarities to your hull. For the strongback longitudinal I carefully chose a long, straight, clear piece of structural grade Douglas fir. The strongback was the most expensive piece of wood in the project, but it ensured the resulting boat was straight.
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I have a copy of McKee and he says 9 inches. He terms it chasing, where a sloping rabbet is cut into the top edge of the strake below the one being installed. At this point he's talking specifically about his 10' example boat. I haven't found anywhere that he gives more general guidance on chasing, though he does mention that there are other ways than a sloping rabbet to get the plank end down so it can fit into the stem or stern rabbet. I don't think I have the terminology completely figured out, but the 9" measurement is definite for his 10' boat. The McKee is a pretty neat little publication. It includes a card half-hull model of his 10' example boat.
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Navy coffee, on the other hand, was for connoisseurs! We made port visits in Australia a few many years ago and a cup of the wardroom java was a must-have for visitors. (I highly recommend choosing a service where you can take your diningroom and bedroom on every trip.)
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Ditto on the mini-saw recommendation - I have long wanted a tiny keyhole-type saw like this one! Glenn, your progress on the model is impressive! It's part of my daily routine to check how the Indy models are progressing - they're quite an inspiration to me. The opportunity to watch four different, skillful modelers work their ways through the same build, in parallel is unique. Thanks for sharing!
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Masthead shape on early 17th century ships
rcweir replied to rcweir's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Thanks Mark, That's very helpful. I'm moving ahead on the "round above" principle. I'm also continuing to study those photos of Mayflower II's mast; there are subtleties in the transitions from round to flatish to round and back to flat that my eyes couldn't pick out so easily, initially. I don't think it will make any difference in what I produce in the model, but it's still very interesting. Bob -
I have finally started on the rigging of my (Model Shipways) Mayflower, and this weekend's task is to start working on the mastheads, i.e. the area from the hounds to the cap. I've got three reputable authorities to look at for how to do it and I'd appreciate some opinions as to which is preferred. The first example is how the kit instructions show that area. As you can see below, Chuck (our Chuck Passaro is the kit designer), has flats for the cheeks and then a tenon for the cap. Otherwise the mast is round. This is a straightforward way of dealing with a mast that started out as a round dowel. The next photo is from Brian Lavery's AOS on the Susan Constant, a ship 2/3 the tonnage of Mayflower, but nearly identical dates. (And note that Lavery is creating his design 30 years after Baker's Mayflower II.) Lavery's mastheads are square from the hounds to the tippity top. Looks entirely sensible to me, but the practical problem is that the sides of the square area are about the same width as the mast diameter and I don't have the meat on my dowels to do this. So I'd have to build it up. For that reason, I don't think I'll do it the Lavery way. The third example is from the real Mayflower II. Here's one of the mastheads on the pier during its recent major overhaul. (I wish I'd taken measurements with these pics.) It looks like the flat area for the cheeks and trestletree is slightly less than the diameter of the mast. Above that the mast is round again, and is finished with a tenon for the cap. I think this construction is basically the same Chuck's, except that he's simplified the details a bit for the kit builder. I think I'm going to do something as close to the Mayflower II form as I can. But, regardless of what I do for this model, I'd like to know whether one or the other is more correct. And I'd also like to know how others tackle the problem of large square sections on masts that start out as kit dowels.
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HMS Victory Renovation - Outer Planking Removed
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I don't know if there's an official way to ask that question, but I'd consider these things: 1. Post the question in the ModelWarships.com forum in the USS Nimitz topic area, http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=4705. 2. Search on the internet for photos of the Nimitz in the dates you think she might have been on the transit. 3. Ditto, if you know some of her stops along the way, look for press coverage of the visit: the escorts might happen to show up. 4. Write a letter or send email to the PAO (Public Affairs Officer) on the Nimitz. It's possible that there are reasonably convenient records they could check (they probably won't be able or willing to root through the deck logs). 5. Look through this: https://www.navysite.de/cruisebooks/cvn68-86/001.htm It appears to be her cruise book for the period that includes the move.
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What a great project! I've gotten my Speedwell books and will join the group project as soon as it appears, even if I have to have two projects going at the same time. I love the large scale and the size of the finished model (though I probably won't rig mine). A question about finish: if the frames are going to be exposed, shouldn't poly (or whatever) be going on the frame sides as they're assembled?
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