A good second model/ship suggestion?

[Stuka]

So as I have been now progressing with my sherbourne. Even though im far from done the thought has come to me whats next?  So I am interested in perhaps doing Vanguards Speedy. But maybe thats to much in skill im not sure. Otherwise I have seen the Vanguard Brig adder or perhaps even the Amati/victory models Granado would be good?

 

What do you guys think is a suitable second wooden model?

[Thukydides]

My best advice would be to wait until you are closer to being done. What you want to do next may change and also your assessment of your skill level based on how the rest of your current model progresses.

 

That being said Speedy would probably be the easier of the three examples you gave. Adder's planking at the bow is a bit more difficult and Granado is an older kit so more adjustments / interpreting of the instructions will be required. Read some build logs of your potential choices and then assess if you think you have the skills to do the build. Apart from that is really up to what subject inspires you.

[AJohnson]

14 minutes ago, Thukydides said:

My best advice would be to wait until you are closer to being done. What you want to do next may change and also your assessment of your skill level based on how the rest of your current model progresses.

 

Adder's planking at the bow is a bit more difficult and Granado is an older kit so more adjustments / interpreting of the instructions will be required. Read some build logs of your potential choices and then assess if you think you have the skills to do the build. Apart from that is really up to what subject inspires you.

Good advice, see how you feel when you are near the end of your build, otherwise you might be tempted to start your new one before you finish Sherbourne! 😆

 

Oh and yes @Thukydides is right, Adder's bow is a challenge, doing it at the moment. 😉

[Stuka]

20 minutes ago, Thukydides said:

That being said Speedy would probably be the easier of the three examples you gave

Huh really?  On Chris site its rated as a 3 while the adder is 2. Though of course I understand one shouldnt look blindly on the skill level on the paper.  But I have also heard about the tricky bow planking for the Adder.  Ovverall you are completely right im not gonna get anything new until my nice Sherbourne is finished but curiosity got the best of me so I made this post.

[Thukydides]

53 minutes ago, Stuka said:

Huh really?  On Chris site its rated as a 3 while the adder is 2. Though of course I understand one shouldnt look blindly on the skill level on the paper.  But I have also heard about the tricky bow planking for the Adder.  Ovverall you are completely right im not gonna get anything new until my nice Sherbourne is finished but curiosity got the best of me so I made this post.

It might be the coppering that made Christ move it to a 3, I would trust Chris' rating better than my very uninformed gut feeling :). That being said difficulty is not a one size fits all problem. You may excel at a task I struggle at. Some models have more complex rigging, others harder planking, others tedious copper plates:). So a clear eyed view of your own abilities plus reading lots of build logs is probably the best way to know if you are capable of completing the model.

[palmerit]

I'd take seriously any caution about the difficulty with planking the hull (being someone who is slowly getting better at planking).

 

As an example, I had asked on the Vanguard forum about the difficulty of the new HMS Harpy that's coming out. James H said that it had a fairly straightforward hull. It was the more complete (and complex) rigging that made it a III rather than a II. "It’s looking to be a Level 3 ‘Experienced’ but that is mostly due to rig. The hull itself would be a level lower, but we have to factor in the rig." Chris added "Regarding the rig, I shall add a note saying the modeller can omit any rig directly relating to sails, like sheets, tacks, clews and bowlines. If the modeller wishes, they can just add the standing rigging and runing rigging relating to yards and booms only. But the plans and blocks and thread will allow for a fully rigged model - but you don't have to, you can stop once the yard rigging (Tyes, lifts and braces) is complete."

 

I'm not saying to do the Harpy, but that some models might be II because the hull and rigging are less complex. Others might be III because of the complex hull and a fairly complex rigging. Adder might have a difficult hull but less complex rigging (looking at the two models, as a complete novice, they seem similar to me). As Thukydides said, it might just be the addition of the coppering. 

 

I'm working on the Sherbourne now and asked the same question. I ended up buying the Vanguard Duchess. It's pretty expensive and after reflecting on my rough experience with the planking on the Sherbourne (it ended looking okay because I used a ton of wood filler) I decided to hold off on the Duchess and I'm now in the midst of the Model Shipways Shipwright series (more old school build) and the NRG half hull. I'm also working on the Sherbourne.

 

After those, I might actually do one of the Vanguard fishing boats (probably the Erycina) before starting the Duchess. They're smaller boats and if I mess something up it won't be as much of a disaster as messing up on a model that costs 2x as much. 

Edited Thursday at 04:03 PM by palmerit

[Stuka]

 

 

1 hour ago, Thukydides said:

So a clear eyed view of your own abilities plus reading lots of build logs is probably the best way to know if you are capable of completing the model.

Thanks Thukydides for the input, hopefully I will be good enough to do the Speedy as my next one 🙂 

 

 

1 hour ago, palmerit said:

After those, I might actually do one of the Vanguard fishing boats (probably the Erycina) before starting the Duchess. They're smaller boats and if I mess something up it won't be as much of a disaster as messing up on a model that costs 2x as much

I see with all that experience you are building up I think your Duchess will turn out very nice. Also I agree on what you say about getting better on planking, I myself had to use quite some filler but if this model had not been painted over it had looked pretty bad so I myself must also get better at planking

Edited Thursday at 04:24 PM by Stuka

[Stuka]

I have the speedy in my sights at the moment though, But Il see how things develop, Now that I started with vanguard models I feel reluctant to try another brand of models fearing that they are not up to the same standard, even though I wish someday to do ships of other nations besides the UK