ringbolt2013 Posted December 26, 2013 Share #211 Posted December 26, 2013 Heck ... give it a whirl you might like how it comes out. A sample could change your mind!?!? Back to scratch building I guess. Insert an evil chuckle here!! Object is to have fun and make something you can hand down to your kids! Tom olliechristo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted December 31, 2013 Author Share #212 Posted December 31, 2013 Hi all, no modelling for a bit.. As some of you may know the profile picture I have is of the mermaid in the Endeavour River, Cooktown.. Far northern Australia. Well that is where i have been since xmas, staying with friends not far from the river.... Great to get away.. I got a chance to bring a little history home with some metal detecting finds, my oldest coin 1862 British Ha'penny... . I also got to check out the Captain Cook museum and got to see the real anchor and cannon from the Endeavour.. And a piece of the tree he supposedly tied to... Lots of great old shipping and mining objects... It all got my imagination juiced up and keen to get back to the model.. Thought I might share some of my adventure with you.. Ollie egkb and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted January 1, 2014 Share #213 Posted January 1, 2014 COOL!!!! been to lots of museums here in San Diego, San Francisco, Portland and Mystic Seaport ... love em' ... missed the Bounty though but got to see the Constitution. Shame how they put 'newer' Headrails and stern details on her, the originals are so much better. Nice to see you back! Tom olliechristo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted January 1, 2014 Share #214 Posted January 1, 2014 Hi Ollie, Glad to hear you had a nice holiday in a very beatiful part of the country and it looks you had quite a nice haul with your metal detector. I have been to that museum many years ago, back in '95 and it was a great display back then they had a couple of very good detailed models of the Endeavour on display then along with the relics from the ship that you have shown. A great little town olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share #215 Posted January 2, 2014 Thanks Tom and Jeff.. Back into it.. I have done about another 4 hours on various tasks... I have finished deck planking, felt good putting that last plank in even though it was the trickiest.. .Very happy with result and i have to thank those who helped me.. I ended up with some with black from the pencil going into grain of some planking but i actually don't mind the effect... I have scraped flat, sanded and satin clear coated, (still wet in some photos so looks glossy) I also tried some tree- nailing with wooden tooth picks on my trial deck.. interesting how dark they come up after finishing... (because its end grain) One trial is 1mm holes and other is 0.5 mm.. I would like them a bit lighter.. Will get some putty and other tooth picks tomorrow.. Still deciding.... will try more techniques.. Also showing my jig for cutting deck planks,, worked well, always square and good for trimming.. Ollie egkb and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted January 2, 2014 Share #216 Posted January 2, 2014 That deck has come up really well, mate! John olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted January 2, 2014 Share #217 Posted January 2, 2014 Impressive!!! I'm running out of adjectives!!! Great work on the deck. Keep trying the treenail trick it looks interesting!! Tom olliechristo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted January 3, 2014 Share #218 Posted January 3, 2014 Looking really good Ollie. Your nibbing is superb - nice and tight. I like the smaller nail holes and I reckon 1 hole per plank rather than two, except at the butts. I know there is historical evidence to tell you the correct way by I go by what my eye likes. I stagger my single holes (have a look at Fly to get what I mean by that). Another trick is to use masking tape across the deck to get the hole alignment right. Anyway, good to see you experimenting with this, I think it is worth it. Cheers Alistair ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share #219 Posted January 3, 2014 Thanks for the compliments guys.. After looking at various logs and pictures I have decided to do tree nail.. I have chosen a Natural color as it was the lightest and i like "Cabots" Brand. It shows up a bit darker than decking, blends in from a distance but nice up close.. The left hand run of single plugs are 0.8mm holes and i think this suits... Regards Ollie ringbolt2013 and egkb 2 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted January 3, 2014 Share #220 Posted January 3, 2014 Or the 0.5 you showed previously also looks good, Ollie - have you tried the small holes with the filler? John olliechristo, egkb and ringbolt2013 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share #221 Posted January 3, 2014 No I havn't john. I will do, i think the toothpick may have flared the 0.5 a little.. I've got 0.6 also will do another test batch. ringbolt2013 1 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted January 3, 2014 Share #222 Posted January 3, 2014 Could you stagger two holes on the "thru" planks?? Might give a better appearance?? This is interesting!! A lot of work though! I never really did much of this I just did what the rules told me to do I had two boat builders to tell me what is expected too, also two whole rivers worth of ships and boats to go look at. Good work! And good luck. I'm looking forward to seeing how this goes!! Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted January 4, 2014 Author Share #223 Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) Hi all, I'm working out gun ports... So I can carry on with lining bulwarks.. I have some conflicting diagrams. The supplied die cast ports are square, diagrams show rectangular.... I am wanting to make my own as i believe they are made of wood.. Trying to work out the lining of them and such... They will be cut up to bulwark extension once fitted which is 2x4mm walnut as height is needed for cannons..... I am also pondering the finishing of bulwarks.. The 'deck edge' is 2x3mm walnut over 0.6 mahogony as diagram shows but it covers up a large proportion of margin plank.. (2.6mm) Is this okay? If uprights are supposed to represent frames why would they terminate at deck 'trim'.. Is this authentic? Regards Ollie Edited January 4, 2014 by olliechristo ringbolt2013 1 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted January 4, 2014 Share #224 Posted January 4, 2014 Hi Ollie I ended up with the same issue with my margin plank. It was mostly covered by the linings and waterway so a lot of effort lost but I prioritised the correct bulwark set out over that loss. I should have planned it better. You could use a thinner trim but it should be slightly thicker than the combined main bulwark lining and frames. In the end a too thin bulwark will look worse than a slightly hidden margin plank IMO. A lesson for both of us in the future! I'd definitely ditch the metal port lids and make my own. You can always experiment off the model and then compare but I reckon cast fittings for this sort of part are always going to look crude. The gun port should have stops at the base and sides. These should be set back from the outer planking by the thickness of that planking. These stops set the size for the lids inner lining which you can cut from sheet wood, ply or styrene. The outer part is planking aligned with the hull planking and to the same thickness. The hinges, bolts etc; can al be made in brass - in fact you can probably buy such bits as accessories - not sure. Maybe have a look at Dirk's (Dubz) Syren log or Gil Middleton's Victory log - the best lids in the business with working hinges...(but there are many great examples out there). All this is offered when I haven't made a gun port lid in my entire life!!!! Hope that helps. Cheers Alistair ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted January 4, 2014 Share #225 Posted January 4, 2014 I am with the guys...get rid of those cast gun ports. I know you can do better!! Casting is great for gun barrels but small parts must be used with discretion! Tom olliechristo and Brian the extraordinaire 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted January 5, 2014 Author Share #226 Posted January 5, 2014 Yes, don't worry guys, as I said i want to scratch build the ports. I trialed many fake tree nails before biting the bullet and I'm happy with result... 0.6mm holes, darkened up the natural putty with cedar.. They look more subtle in real life. From what I can gather about tree nails is.. They really are a just representation of something, it is no use making them the same color or even close to the same color as you will not see them, but you want them dark enough to show up.. Its a happy medium thing. Just be sure you trial them with your chosen varnish as this obviously changes the putty color completely.. My best tip would be to varnish before drilling and puttying tree nail holes.. It firms up the timbers fibres and you get a neater hole, plus the putty doesn't get all in your grain and caulking.. Ollie ringbolt2013, Aussie048 and egkb 3 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted January 5, 2014 Share #227 Posted January 5, 2014 Nice, nice, nice...Man did that come up good! You should be proud of yourself! olliechristo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted January 11, 2014 Author Share #228 Posted January 11, 2014 Well its been a bit slow in the shipyard with 10 hours spent since last post.. I am really taking my time to make sure i get things right.. lined bulwarks and added bulwark extensions.. will update again soon.. Ollie ringbolt2013 and egkb 2 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted January 11, 2014 Share #229 Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) I believe that the margin plank or waterway plank is actually supposed to be inboard to the frames. Check out a section view if you can find one. My copy of the Alert Cutter by the Naval institute Press says it's inboard as part of the waterway and the spirketting??? Check out the plans again but I don't think that the frames were cut thru for any reason....strength... you know they took the recoil of the guns and white water over the rails at times. Tom P. S. Darn it's looking very good! Edited January 11, 2014 by ringbolt2013 olliechristo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted January 11, 2014 Share #230 Posted January 11, 2014 Just catching up after some time away, Ollie - she's coming along very nicely. I'm not sure what the discussion was re the margin planks, but as Tom says, they were definitely cut in around the frames. John ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share #231 Posted January 12, 2014 Thanks guys but i'm a bit lost with this discussion also.. I was concerned that so much of my margin plank got covered by deck trim. I also wondered why "frames" appeared above deck trim, I imagine that would continue through hull deck... Anyway it doesn't really matter I am just moving forward and doing what the instructions say at this stage.. I am happy with how it all looks and trying not to be too pedantic.. After all this first build should be a learning experience.. Regards Ollie ringbolt2013 1 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share #232 Posted January 12, 2014 Well small update, about 5 hours more. Frames added to one side and three gun ports stops added sides and bottoms, a bit tricky getting the frames layout to suit ports, but looks okay where it finished at bow and stern i think, ... now to do frames on other side and add cap rails etc.. happy crafting all. egkb and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted January 13, 2014 Share #233 Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) Looks real fine Ollie!! The dark shade is impressive....I hope they gave you some decent wood for the rail caps...will be super! Edited January 13, 2014 by ringbolt2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share #234 Posted January 13, 2014 Thanks Tom! They have supplied flexible beech and limewood for cap rails.. Ollie ringbolt2013 1 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted January 13, 2014 Share #235 Posted January 13, 2014 Lime is good! beech might be a bit brittle so watch it!! I have been impressed with your work so far. For a firstie you have some awesome skills!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share #236 Posted January 13, 2014 Thanks mate, your support is much appreciated. I have high expectations of myself and i can already see how second build would be so much easier.. The beech seems okay to bend, will pre soak and bend like i have the walnut.. Only thing is doesnt look like any other tinber on the ship and the lime wood which joins onto and extends over the bulwark edge is quite a lighter shade.. Think im just going to go with it though. Regards ollie ringbolt2013 1 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted January 13, 2014 Share #237 Posted January 13, 2014 For sure it's your call and you have done well in the past. I have trust in your decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share #238 Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) Hi all. Okay another 3 hours, wasn't happy with gun ports linings and another bit on frames where they met transom. So i fixed them so i was happy... You may notice i left my frames proud of bulwarks because i knew there was no way i was going to cut them as accurate as i need... So i made a sanding pad with fresh 80 grit quality wet and dry paper and worked them down nice and flat all over now.. ( pad will get used for lots more sanding yet:) I have cap rails bending and use the soak, bend, dry technique. The ones in bowl are getting a head start.. Steam didn't seem to be that advantageous to me.. The square objects are lead weights. 5 days straight of rain here and plenty more to come, so good ship building weather.. Regards Ollie Edited June 5, 2014 by olliechristo egkb, ringbolt2013, avsjerome2003 and 1 other 4 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted January 15, 2014 Share #239 Posted January 15, 2014 Rain? What's rain? Looking good, mate! John ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share #240 Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) Well, Another few hours spent... I have added my cap rails and extensions.. I am a bit dissapointed my keel at bow seems to have fallen a bit short of where it should be.. Stern could be a bit higher above rails also. I dont know how that happened, I made my scratch built ones the same as kit supplied.. I shouldn't have cut it until now perhaps, i would next time.. as done with keel at rudder post, a valuable lesson for all.. I may try to fix this or let it go.. Any thoughts? Regards Ollie Edited June 5, 2014 by olliechristo avsjerome2003, Aussie048, egkb and 1 other 4 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.