Beef Wellington Posted November 15, 2013 #1 Posted November 15, 2013 I cannot figure out how the bowsprit shroud deadeyes and collars should be installed. Various rigging book (Lever's 'Young sea officers sheet anchor' and Pederssons 'Rigging period ship models') all seem to provide tantalizing hints but not the complete picture. Per Lever, it states that there was one deadeye or heart per collar (implying that two collars would needed for starboard and port deadeyes), but in the merchant service it was common to have both deadeyes on one collar. I tried to draw below what I'm alluding to. Questions: Should the eyes be at the bottom of the bowsprit (option A) or the opposite side of the deadeye (option B ) Given the 'lashing is passed through the eyes and over the bowsprit' (per Lever) does this mean the lashing goes from one eye around the bowsprit to the other eye, if so, how many times? I'm not really clear how this works. Any help would be much appreciated! - I'll post this in the 'masting and rigging' section as well as so more people may see it. Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)
JerseyCity Frankie Posted November 15, 2013 #2 Posted November 15, 2013 The lashing would go between the two eyes only, not taking the long way around the spar but rather the shortest path between the eyes. The lashing would be made of some smaller stuff and several turns would go between each eye. For a nice flourish look up "rose lashing". As to the relationship between the eyes and the deadeye, I can't say with certainty. But I tend to think the disposition won't matter, neither one or the the other types you have drawn look better or worse. What could make a difference is how this bit of rigging fits onto the spar, what other equipment is alongside, where are the stop cleats, that sort of thing. Beef Wellington 1 Quote Quote Niagara USS Constitution
drtrap Posted December 23, 2013 #3 Posted December 23, 2013 Very interesting topic Jason. I've already bookmarked it !! Quote
Bob Frysztak Posted October 21, 2020 #4 Posted October 21, 2020 Bump. I am just about to start rigging the bowsprit of the Constitution, and also am puzzled. None of the plans or books I have gives a clear idea/picture how to accomplish this task. And the Constitution has over a dozen deadeyes on the bowsprit. Any help appreciated. Quote
allanyed Posted October 21, 2020 #5 Posted October 21, 2020 Bob, pages 49-50 of Lees' Masting and Rigging give great detail on the various deadeyes including outer bobstay, fore stay , fore preventer stay, sprit shrouds and so forth. For the time period of the Constitution, assuming she was rigged similarly to the British vessels, each deadeye would have a collar which was always spliced at the outer most point of the groove of the deadeye. The collar would be served for it's entire length. Often the collars were covered with leather as well. There were wooden cleats, usually four or more, attached to the sprit for each collar to prevent them from sliding along the sprit. Lees also addresses the order of dressing the collars and deadeyes of the bowsprit for each time period covered in the book on page 158. Allan mtaylor and RichardG 2 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU
popeye2sea Posted October 22, 2020 #6 Posted October 22, 2020 My personal opinion is that, as in your first diagram, there would be one short and one long leg for the strop and that the seizing between the eyes would fall near the top of the bowsprit so that the crew had easier access to the seizing. Regards, mtaylor 1 Quote Henry Laissez le bon temps rouler ! Current Build: Le Soleil Royal Completed Build: Amerigo Vespucci
allanyed Posted October 22, 2020 #7 Posted October 22, 2020 Henry, for the sprit shroud deadeyes you make a great point and Lees does point out that the lashing should lie on top of the sprit and one leg would indeed be shorter than the other. But there also some deadeyes at the top of the sprit for the stays, and some underneath for the bobstays and these did not usually have eyes that were lashed together, but rather were spliced together. Not an easy task on a model though!! Lees comments that after 1773, hearts were used in preference to deadeyes for the sprit shrouds which would be appropriate for Constitution, IF she was rigged similarly to the British. Same goes for the forestay and preventer stay. Allan mtaylor 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU
AON Posted October 23, 2020 #8 Posted October 23, 2020 Jason It seems some were lashed as discussed above where as others were a single splice strop making an oversized loop of rope (line). The deadeye (or thimble which is the example I am looking at in The Anatomy of Nelsons Ships, page 235) is fitted with the "item" inside the strop, rope in the groove and wrapped around it, then seized tightly to it. Possibly this is what was done in your case. mtaylor 1 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
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