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Here goes my Victory cross section repost on MSW 2.0!!

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Hello Everyone,

 

I have been a long time visitor to the MSW forums and I have marveled at the craftsmanship and attention to detail displayed in so many of your projects.

 

Now it’s time to share my first build with you. I’ve started small, with a 1:98 scale HMS Victory cross section kit by Corel. While I find the kit to be excellent, it is a simplified model, so I’ll be modifying it to include more detail.

 

As my guides I’ll be using McKay’s and Longridge’s books, hundreds of internet photographs, as well as all of the great information on MSW. I’ve also found the following website very helpful, as it includes a well-reasoned list of modifications to make the kit more accurate:

 

http://www.mountainhaven.com/VictoryXCP/index.html

 

My goal isn’t to follow this list precisely (for example, I won’t me modifying the deck framing to be more accurate), but I will be adding major details such as the step, chain pumps, shot lockers, elm tree pumps, hold well, pump room, and other details.

 

I’m a few months into the project, so it will take me a little while to catch up here. Like many of you, I’ve also removed and

reworked/improved some of my earlier modifications to add more detail, so expect some changes along the way.

 

Until the next post, enjoy the “unboxing” photos.

 

E&T

 

My workspace and the kit:

 

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The unboxing:

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Gluing a photocopied plan to a board to create a jig:

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The finished jig for aligning the frame:

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Keel, keelson, deck planking, shot locker and pump well installed. Unfortunately I forgot to take a picture of the step, but you’ll see more of that later. The pump well and locker are made from balsa, with a light oak stain.

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The hold platforms prior to installation:

 

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Parts fabricated for installation, including the chain and elm tree pump shafts and the chain pump casings. The shafts will be fitted inside the hold well and pump room and will extend from the hold to the lower deck (gun deck), where the chain pump casings and starboard elm tree pump will be installed.

 

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I’ve decided not to paint the model, but to use natural oiled or stained finishes. Any metal fittings will be made from brass or copper. Here, iron fittings are replaced with copper (including barrel hoops). So far, I like the look.

 

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Here you can see the framing for the orlop deck being glued, with the fabricated pump room in the background waiting to be installed.

 

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This is a better view of the hold platforms and shot lockers from the last post. I made two mistakes here; first, by not building the posts and frames of the hold platforms to scale, and second, by not installing the riders when I had the chance. I originally didn’t want think it was necessary to install the riders (I thought they would be obscured by the ballast, hold platforms, and barrels, but I’ve since regretted this. Later on in the build fix the scale of the hold platforms and install riders. More on that later...


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In this sequence I have installed the pump room and pump casings, along with the pump shafts. I’ve left the back of the hold well open so that these can be seen (the aft cross section cuts through this area in almost exactly this position anyway). The step can be seen in the hold well in this view. The elm tree pumps and pump casings are stained with a red mahogany finish (still wet in the photos).


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Here I’ve installed the gun deck planking, hatch, and companionways. The companionways aren’t positioned here in the real Victory (they are just foreward of this location), but I’ve included them anyway to display this aspect of the ship’s construction. As a result of the companionways, the hatchway is somewhat larger than the Victory’s hatch in this location. This picture also shows the chain pump casings more clearly, as well as the spouts I’ve added to all four casings. The elm tree pump shafts are also installed here.

 

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The Corel model instructions indicate that the hatch on the gun deck is to be open, but in the real victory a grating covers this hatch, so I’ve installed one here.

 

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Cutting the gun and entry ports involved some careful measurement and patience; I drilled two holes in each port and then cut them out using a new # 11 xacto blade.


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Here is a macro shot of the orlop deck; despite being slightly inaccurate, I like the look of the companionways here.

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Here are some images of the elm tree pump on the gun deck. The original has black painted iron for the pump assembly, which I’ve reproduced here with brass wire and copper tape. I found it very challenging to glue the brass and copper together – even CA wouldn’t work. I had to buy a special metal one metal glue.


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After making some progress, I've decided that I should have added the one rib that occurs within this cross section of Victory to the model. At this stage in the build, this represents three problems; 1) I’ve already installed the orlop deck, 2) I’ve installed the hold well, and 3) I’ve installed the hold platforms. The rib runs through all three, on both sides of
the ship.  My solution was to remove the hold platforms and build the rib in two sections placed on either side of the
hold well (the area where it passes through the hold well can’t be seen anyway). I’ll cut and fit the hold platforms to sit around the ribs, but I determined it would be too destructive to cut through the deck and install the upper portion of the rib. So, the upper portion of the rib will be left out of my model (and I’ve learned a good lesson for the next build).

 

Here are some pictures of the process:


Hold platforms removed, revealing a mess of dried glue.

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Broken hold platforms. Not to worry, this will give me a chance to make more accurate framing and posts!

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A tracing of interior of the hold deck was needed to create a custom template for the ribs.

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Lower portion of rib sections drawn to scale…

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The finished templates.

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Three sections of the port rib, with a light oak stain.

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Gluing the ribs in place.

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The final installation.

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It’s been a busy week, but I’ve finally had a chance to install the chain pump crank handles and the pillars. Both sets of the forward pillars are in the proper positions but the aft pillars are not. On the real victory the aft pillars are just behind the pump casings, in a location not represented by the cross section. However, to maintain the convex shape of the middle gun deck I had to install the aft pillars, so these are placed slightly forward and lateral from their actual position on the ship.  The crank handles are constructed from brass wire and attached to the pillars with copper strips. Both fittings are made from iron and painted black on the actual Victory, but, as I mentioned in a previous post, I’ve decided to use only brass and copper for metal fittings in this build.

 

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I made a little progress on my Victory cross section this week; I’m currently waiting for some walnut strips to arrive to fabricate new bitts, so I have time for an update here.


 

I finished construction of the gun deck (I’ll install the cannons later) by adding the cradles for the anchor cables. These were made from walnut scrap.

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The anchor cables are modeled after an image in Longridge.

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Thus is just a dry fit, as I plan to finish the model with tung oil and will glue them in later. They look very large in photos, but they are built to scale, or very close.  I’m not happy with their “fuzziness”, so I’ll have to trim them under magnification.

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The middle deck on the Corel kit doesn’t include entry port gratings, so I’ve added them (to scale) here. I’m fairly pleased with the result. According to McKay, their scale is supposed to be the same as the hatchway gratings, so I used some leftover stock from the kit.

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Progress shots of the middle deck.

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Next time: scratch built bitts!



 

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As I've mentioned, the Corel kit omits many details, including the jeer bitts. These extend from the middle deck to the upper deck. I crafted them from boxwood and walnut, with all the sheaves cut out and installed by hand (# 11 X–ACTO blade).  The hardest part of making the jeer bits was keeping everything square during the gluing and installation.


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I haven’t had much time to work on my Victory in the last three weeks, but I’ve made some good progress in the last four days.  For a change of pace, I decided to plank the outer hull. I started by cutting the required number of strakes, and then sorted them by colour. The lighter walnut will be used for the areas nearest the keel that will be covered in copper plating while the darker walnut will cover the exposed areas (I don’t plan to paint the model, so the colour of the wood is important to me).


Walnut cut and sorted.

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The keel fully planked.

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Port side fully planked. I really like the contrast between the boxwood and the walnut. Perhaps this is a nitpicky point, but I think this is the exact opposite of the colour scheme on the actual Victory. I’m not sure why Corel chose to do this – probably because boxwood is more expensive than walnut?

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Starboard side fully planked.

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Port and starboard gun ports and entryways (I cut these out by hand using a #11X-ACTO knife and a small file).

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As I mentioned earlier, while I like the kit, it simplifies and generalizes many details.  This section of the Victory should include a portion of the bulwarks, so I’ve had to construct these from scratch. Much sanding is still required on the cross section face.

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It’s been some time since my last post, but that doesn’t mean I haven’t been working on my Victory. I’m fairly happy with the progress to date; as I proceed I’ve been trying to refine my technique following the  example of the great craftsmen and craftswomen on this forum. Most of my recent work has been on the upper gun deck and the quarter deck surrounding the main mast. 


In this photo the grating for the hatchway has been installed on the upper gun deck, this time with a proper camber!

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Topsail sheet bitts (scratch built, not included in the kit). The scratch built jeer bitts were installed with the middle gun deck.

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Port elm tree pump (scratch built, not included in the kit). The quarterdeck beams are shown here as well. The framing in the kit isn’t accurate and it’s one of the aspects of the kit I haven’t tried to fix, given that it would require too much extra walnut board.

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In this photo the quarterdeck planking and gratings have been installed. Here I’ve attempted to simulate caulking by rubbing the edges of the plank with a charcoal pencil. It certainly looks better than the lower decks, but I’m still not 100% satisfied. On my next model I’ll try a different technique, I think.

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The port kevel block (scratch built, not included in the kit). The extended bulwarks are scratch built as well.  Surprisingly, they aren’t part of the kit (see my previous post).

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Ladders from the quarter deck to the upper gun deck as well as the rail with slots for the hammock cranes.

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I’ve been working on the cannons for some time. Some of the iron work here has been done in copper, with brass wire inserts for the truck bolts. I know that the victory trucks weren’t clad, but on my victory they are (a little aesthetic license on my part).

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Currently I’m working on the steps. Corel provides a laser cut “L” shaped board for these, but they don’t look realistic when modified as per the Corel plans. I’ve extensively modified each by filing and sanding them down for a more accurate look. I have to admit that this has been the most tedious part of the build to date, but I think the effect justifies the effort.  In the photo the “L” cut board is on the right, and my modifications are on the left.

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Finally, here are the gun port lids ready for installation.

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Here goes my Victory cross section repost on MSW 2.0!!

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Hello Everyone,

 

I have been a long time visitor to the MSW forums and I have marveled at the craftsmanship and attention to detail displayed in so many of your projects.

 

Now it’s time to share my first build with you. I’ve started small, with a 1:98 scale HMS Victory cross section kit by Corel.  While I find the kit to be excellent, it is a simplified model, so I’ll be modifying it to include more detail.

 

As my guides I’ll be using McKay’s and Longridge’s books, hundreds of internet photographs, as well as all of the great information on MSW. I’ve also found the following website very helpful, as it includes a well-reasoned list of modifications to make the kit more accurate:

 

http://www.mountainhaven.com/VictoryXCP/index.html

 

My goal isn’t to follow this list precisely (for example, I won’t me modifying the deck framing to be more accurate), but I will be adding major details such as the step, chain pumps, shot lockers, elm tree pumps, hold well, pump room, and other details.

 

I’m a few months into the project, so it will take me a little while to catch up here. Like many of you, I’ve also removed and

reworked/improved some of my earlier modifications to add more detail, so expect some changes along the way.

 

Until the next post, enjoy the “unboxing” photos.

 

E&T

 

My workspace and the kit:

 

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The unboxing:

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Gluing a photocopied plan to a board to create a jig:

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The finished jig for aligning the frame:

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Keel, keelson, deck planking, shot locker and pump well installed. Unfortunately I forgot to take a picture of the step, but you’ll see more of that later. The pump well and locker are made from balsa, with a light oak stain.

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The hold platforms prior to installation:

 

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Parts fabricated for installation, including the chain and elm tree pump shafts and the chain pump casings. The shafts will be fitted inside the hold well and pump room and will extend from the hold to the lower deck (gun deck), where the chain pump casings and starboard elm tree pump will be installed.

 

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I’ve decided not to paint the model, but to use natural oiled or stained finishes. Any metal fittings will be made from brass or copper. Here, iron fittings are replaced with copper (including barrel hoops).  So far, I like the look.

 

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Here you can see the framing for the orlop deck being glued, with the fabricated pump room in the background waiting to be installed.

 

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Nice Layout, that reminds me, I have to clean my work bench :)

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Images of the steps as installed. I could find no consensus between the Corel plans or McKay’s and Longridge’s books on the correct number and spacing of the steps, so I based them on Longridge’s volume.

 

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Detail of the enteryways.

 

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Images of the pin racks installed on the bulwarks.

 

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Copper sheeting pattern and strakes of sheeting made from copper tape.

 

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Copper sheeting installed.

 

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I replaced the model base provided by Corel with one that matches the size of the model (and provides a more stable support).

 

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Model installed on the base (and leveled)!

 

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Hi.

Very nice. I have just orderd the kit now and will be attempting to build making similar changes that you have made.

I have no refarance books to make the mods.

Is it possible do do a small drawing with dimensions of the pump?

Nice workmanship.

Regards Antony

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Hi.

Very nice. I have just orderd the kit now and will be attempting to build making similar changes that you have made.

I have no refarance books to make the mods.

Is it possible do do a small drawing with dimensions of the pump?

Nice workmanship.

Regards Antony

Hi Antony,

 

Thanks for the kind words! If you can, you should really try to get Longridge's book from a library. However, I've scanned a couple of his plans for you that show the postiion and size of the chain pumps. In the pfrofile you can see my lines showing where I think the Corel cross section matches his plans.

 

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Some progress this weekend…

 

Here are the channels and deadeyes installed and oiled (note that the Corel plans call for four deadeyes, but the Victory should only have three in the area covered by the kit).

 

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Here are the hammock and ladder rails installed.The deck has been treated with tung oil in these pictures.

 

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The kit came with one less stanchion than was needed, so I built one out of brass wire and tubing (the tubing was slipped over each end, glued, and then filed into shape). The tab at the bottom of the stanchion will be imbedded in wood and won’t be seen. It’s not an exact copy but at 1/98 scale it’s barely noticeable.  I dare you to find it in the above pictures!

 

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If you go back to some previous posts, you’ll remember that I wasn’t happy with the original hold platforms I installed. So, I’ve rebuilt them with scale materials (the new platforms are on the left and the old platforms are on the right). They look much better, in my opinion, and I'll install them next week.

 

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Finally, I wasn’t happy with the brass attachments that I used to connect the chain pump handles to the support columns. So, I’ve rebuilt these as well. They aren't exactly to scale, but they look much better.

 

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  • 3 weeks later...

Really clean and impressive work. I will be watching the rest of this one for sure. My wife and I picked up two of these kits a couple of months ago at a model fair and this is the first I have seen anyone build it.

 

Jared

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Really clean and impressive work. I will be watching the rest of this one for sure. My wife and I picked up two of these kits a couple of months ago at a model fair and this is the first I have seen anyone build it.

 

Jared

 

 

Many thanks for the kind comments, Jared. I've been keeping up with your Swift build - fantastic, precise work (and good photogrpahs, too).

 

By the way, I have two companion pugs that keep me company in my workshop. Every ship needs a dog or two.

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Just found your log....very nice build....very impressed with the changes you made from the kit...excellent.  Will wait and watch for more    :dancetl6:

 

Many thanks Pete - I actually finished her last night, and she's behind glass. I have a lot of catching up to do on the build log, and will start the updates this evening....

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My log hasn't been updated in nearly a month, but that is only because I have been busy finishing my HMS Victory! It’s completed and safely stored in a glass cabinet; hopefully I’ll have the log caught up in the next few days.

 

In my last post I detailed the installation of the stanchions, which have now been strung with the stock provided with the kit.  I used fine black tulle purchased at the local fabric store for the netting.

 

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Tackle for the cannons.  These are somewhat larger than they should be for 1/98 scale - I'm not happy with final look, but my fabrication skills weren't up to the task of making tiny originals. Oh well.... 

 

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Cannons installed on the port side.  

 

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Gun port lids installed.

 

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Hardware for storing the cannon equipment between the deck beams.

 

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Rods, sponges, and worms.  I painted the poles black to match those I’ve seen used with real cannons.

 

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Cannon equipment installed. Note that the port lid ropes and tackle are also installed.

 

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Gun port lids completed.

 

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