Santisima Trinidad by GTM - OcCre - 1:90 - Kit Bashed

[md1400cs]

Hi Theo,

It's good to have to say that your decision is sagacious and your scratch impressive, there is no comparison...

Ferit,

 

Love your ten dollar word. That was a new one for me (:-)

[GTM]

Thank you Ferit for your compliment.

I’m honored, especially when it comes from an non compromise scratch build artist like yourself.

[Sjors]

Congrats on closing the hull Theo !

Nicely done.

And also the scratch, great job !

 

[GTM]

Thank you very much Sjors, It is nice having closed the hull, at least I can start to concentrate a bit more on other parts of the build..

Before sanding the hull, I decided to improve the wide tolerances I created on the stern and hull planking.

 

I started with cutting a (straight) line in the planking at the stern

 

 

And removed the wood carefully so I could insert a new strip of sapelli

 

 

After sanding, visually less tolerances

 

Edited March 28, 2014 by GTM

[GTM]

Progress !!

I started roughly shaping  the hull with grid 60

 

 

 

 

After this I started using grid 100, grid 150, grid 240 and finished the hull with grid 400.

On the pictures down below I gave ½ the hull bees wax (color “blonde”) and on these you will notice immediately the warm glow of Sapelli wood taking over the picture

 

 

So this is the current state.

I must admit that it is not perfect and i have learned during the whole progress, but in general i'm very pleased with the result..

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 28, 2014 by GTM

[lamarvalley]

Beautiful Theo, just beautiful!

[Micklen32]

Well if I get mine half as good I will be twice as happy   

 

Great planking Theo

 

Keep it up   

Mick

[Sjors]

Great sanding job Theo,

 

She looks wonderful!!!!!!!

 

[GTM]

Thank you all for the compliments, they are very motivating for me.

 

So.., "back again" after some relaxing weeks on sunny beaches 

Before I continue with the hull, I decided to find out how to rig the cannons.

The blocks needed for the cannon rigging are not provided by the kit so after a few tries I ended up with block-sizes of 2x2x3 and 2x3x3 mm.

..these are the smallest I can manufacture without too much trouble..

 

The next challenge was to shape/create the “hooks” (I tried 2 versions)

 

I really like the hooks in the top of the picture.

But the “eye” & “hook” concept is a long solution with the result that the blocks are very close to each other.

So to avoid this I made an “only 1 hook” version and glued these into the top of the blocks.

Underneath some pictures where both type of rigging is attached to a canon.

 

 

In my opinion the blocks are to big for this scale but I'm afraid I have to settle with them … 

Edited August 10, 2013 by GTM

[lamarvalley]

I think they look great. I don't think they are too big and in reality they are extremely tiny... I'm not sure how you have the patience to make all these parts... repeated many times... I say well done!

[Sjors]

I agree with Randy Theo,

 

The blocks are not over sized.

They are just the right measurement.

I like what I see.

Great job!

 

[Ferit]

Salute GTM,

Your ST is very hard to build, I can see and you are really doing a great job...

If you ask me my opinion, I can say;

I think your ST is at scale 1:90...

3 mm means 3x90=270 mm.

A block of 27 cm in lenght for a cannon seems to me not very accurate... Sorry...

[Ferit]

That was just a thought, here are very knowledgeable builders in MSW, they would give the exact information...

You are at the begining for rigging cannons, for this reason I feel free to speak now or I must forever hold my peace...

[GTM]

Thank you all for your quick input & compliments 

 

Thanks Ferit for your comment, I’m very aware of what you are saying..

I started with creating blocks with a size of 1,3x1x1 and 1,3x1,5x1 mm which I thought was acceptable for the scale

 

But my main problem with this size is the minimum drill size (Ø0.6mm) I can handle and the needed overall accuracy for “mass produce” these block-sizes.

 

So either I need better tools, find some pre-produced “mini blocks” on the web (if existing)  or just have to settle with my “over-dimensioned block –sizes”…

 

I will see what i will choose when I’m actually start to install & rig the cannons..

In the meantime i will continue with the hull..

Edited August 10, 2013 by GTM

[Micklen32]

I think it looks pretty good Theo

I don't think the size of the blocks is too far out

Your build and Steve's Endeavour are both making me think I ought to do something like that on mine

I would probably need to try and get the blocks from somewhere though as I do not think I have the necessary kit to make them, but I suppose I could give it a go if I only need 24 to do the deck cannon

 

Keep it up   

Mick

[Ferit]

While you are working on the hull, would you like to think about rigging size?...

[Ferit]

Maybe you can make a block of 1 mm of width by gluing two pieces of wood of 0.5 mm of width into which it has been made a very little dent...

Really sorry Theo, for my intervention...

[GTM]

I really appreciate your input Ferit.

I will brainstorm a bit more about a possible production line to minimize the blocks before I decide..

Like you said it would be nice to have the correct size for the cannon rigging blocks

 

As a reference I now measured the blocks included with the kit..

I’m not sure but to me all of them seem huge..

 

1) 2,7 x 3,4 x 4,5 mm ->  becomes 24,3 x 30,6 x  40,5 cm in real life 

2) 2,0 x 3,3 x 4,5 mm ->  becomes 18,0 x 29,7 x  40,5 cm in real life 

3) 2,3 x 3,6 x 5,5 mm ->  becomes 20,7 x 32,4 x  49,5 cm in real life 

 

Right now I start to dislike the used scale of the project.. 

 

[Ferit]

Sorry Theo but I think it should be more meaningful to know something is wrong at the begining rather than to realize that after all things have been done, at the point there is no chance to return (for me at least)... BTW I am not a knowledgeable man, it was only my thought about scale, I have only imagined... I don't really know which are the correct dimensions of a block.

It's good to be received nicely by you while putting into words my intervention, because I see your build is too difficult and very detailed, wants a skill of high degree and you Theo, you are making really an impressive build, clear and clean, shapely and fluent...

[GTM]

No need to apologize Ferit, In the mean time did some research on the web and found out that the size of the blocks needs to be in relation to the rope diameter.

In my case I assume that a rope with 16 mm of diameter would be acceptable.. 

 

In 1:90 scale the rope would be app. 0,18 mm and according to a table I found on the web the block sizes should be app. 2,0 x 1,5 x 1,0 and 2,0 x 1,5 x 1,4 mm..

 

Just to show the correct scale of the blocks I managed to manufacture the "simple" 1 sheave version, but as you will see the blocks are not the only thing what needs to be in scale.

Also the eyes & rope needs to be much smaller which makes things even more complicated and also more time consuming due to the needed quantity..

 

I still will consider but most likely I will settle with the “over-dimensioned” blocks ..

 

Underneath the result including a match for comparison reason her you might  also notice that the "hook & eye" i made is almost as big as the block it self..

[lamarvalley]

That is tiny!!!

FYI... I don't know if you considered this or if you want to spend more on purchases but Chuck's company Syren, sells 2mm blocks. I know you need a lot of them with all those guns but it might ease some of the frustration of making so many little blocks.

Either way, you're doing an incredible job on the ST.... if I even do buy one for myself (it's in the plans someday) I will definitely use this build as a spectacular tutorial.

[Ferit]

What you had done is really wonderful!...

It looks absolutely accurate...

The scale of the hook is good for me and it's not as important as the scale of a block I think... and it can be easily assimilated in all other details...

Victorious you are!...

I take Randy's suggestion seriously... It's a good advice to have the opportunity to buy some blocks at this scale...

[GTM]

Thanks for the tip Randy..

I found the site you are referring to and the boxwood blocks on this website look very detailed & complete..

So I decided to give it a try and placed an order for the 2mm single & double sheave rigging blocks and will see if they can be used instead. 

[GTM]

An minor update..,

I placed the rubbing strakes/wales  on one side of the hull and gave the whole side beeswax.

 

 

.. There’s something funny..  

I can only place 2 planks in between cannon deck 1 & 2 instead of 3 as shown on the drawings.. 

..Maybe my cannon frames are not exactly sized as the supplied ones..  

 

 

Edited January 3, 2014 by GTM

[Micklen32]

Really nice job Theo

Lovely lines

You sure you got enough cannon ports though   

 

Keep up the great work   

Mick

[GTM]

..Thanks Mick..,

Yeah, at least I seem to have manufactured enough cannon ports .. 

 

The postman brought already my ordered blocks !!

So I can show again some cannons pictures 

 

Very, very tiny blocks, and still with a lot of detail, this is not really possible for me to build with the current tools I have.

If something bad can be said about these blocks, Then I would like to point out that the drilled holes are too small and besides this I need a new magnifier or a pair of glasses..

 

 

The thinnest rope I can manufacture (on my homebuild ropewalk) is with a 3x1 sewing thread and in these blocks I can barely use 1 single sewing thread which unfortunately not really looks like a rope in this scale.

 

Otherwise I must admit the scale of the blocks are just perfect, when comparing it with the ones I made earlier

 

 

.. I wonder how it will look when I have coiled up the thread..

 

[Micklen32]

Hi Theo

The new blocks do look really good

What I would say now is should you use a thinner recoil rope as now it seems to overpower things a bit

Just my thought

 

Mick

[GTM]

Hej Mick,

 

You are absolutely right and I was thinking the same.

..Now I have to adjust the diameter of the recoil rope to keep everything in the correct scale.. 

 

luckily this will be easier, quicker and cheaper to adjust than the block size 

[Ferit]

Hi Theo,

These blocks look really accurate and great ( = not big but first-rate  )...

[GTM]

At last all the rubbing strakes/wales  are in place and i can finally continue with the Keel

 

I have to mention that somehow the gun ports on both sides are not lined up equally. 

As I found out earlier in the build:

the first layer of plywood gun-port strips didn’t really seemed to fit that well and this is probably the end result of it.

 

 

 

Having this in mind, ..learning by doing.. , next time I will spend more time on gluing and lining up the first layer and checking both sides before applying the second planking..

 

 

When looking from the stern and draw some straight (yellow) lines you can also see the next "not so easy to solve" problem..

Lifting the strakes on the port side will be no solution as the white planks already starts to show underneath the strakes  (see orange circle)

 

Edited January 3, 2014 by GTM