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JSGerson got a reaction from Der Alte Rentner in USS Constitution by kmart - Model Shipways - scale 1/76
You guys give me too much credit!
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JSGerson got a reaction from GGibson in USS Constitution by Der Alte Rentner - Model Shipways - 1/76
Should look spectacular!
Jon
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JSGerson got a reaction from mort stoll in USS Constitution by kmart - Model Shipways - scale 1/76
For me, my choice is simple. My model is based (with some exceptions) on the present version because I have access to thousands of photos of the actual ship as she floats today. Building an historic model, I would have to rely on paintings, old books, and old drawings which can be very complicated or assumes the reader has more nautical understanding than I have to understand. So, modern rigging it is for my model.
kmart, when you started your build, I believe you were shooting for the 1812 configuration. Bluejacket's model is by design, to be 1812 era. model. I would use that as my primary rigging guide, and fill in in any gaps from other sources as required. You can buy their rigging plans if you don't have them.
As you may know, rigging styles vary from era to era, ship to ship, and captains to captains. A ship may leave port with one rigging style and return with another depending on the environment the voyage encountered. So there is no one correct rigging plan. You're the captain of your ship; what you choose for your ship, is by definition, the correct one.
Jon
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JSGerson got a reaction from Der Alte Rentner in USS Constitution by bthoe – Model Shipways – Scale 1:76.8 – 1812 era
Peter, I use my disc sander like a belt sander. Granted, they are not the same tool, but I make it work.
Jon
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JSGerson got a reaction from mtbediz in USS Constitution by bthoe – Model Shipways – Scale 1:76.8 – 1812 era
I have/use 4 basic power tools:
Dremel rotary tool Byrnes table saw - Invaluable!!! Small disc sander 50 yr old Dremel scroll saw I also have, but rarely use these power tools:
Byrnes dimensional sander Small wood lathe I have learned not to anticipate a tool I may need in the future because I most likely won't need it. Buy it when you are positive you need it. This goes for both hand and power tools. Always research the tool before you buy.
Hope this helps
Jon
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JSGerson got a reaction from bthoe in USS Constitution by bthoe – Model Shipways – Scale 1:76.8 – 1812 era
I have/use 4 basic power tools:
Dremel rotary tool Byrnes table saw - Invaluable!!! Small disc sander 50 yr old Dremel scroll saw I also have, but rarely use these power tools:
Byrnes dimensional sander Small wood lathe I have learned not to anticipate a tool I may need in the future because I most likely won't need it. Buy it when you are positive you need it. This goes for both hand and power tools. Always research the tool before you buy.
Hope this helps
Jon
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JSGerson got a reaction from bthoe in USS Constitution by bthoe – Model Shipways – Scale 1:76.8 – 1812 era
If you have been following my log, you would know that ladders have been my nemesis. I tried building ladders without trend grooves in the side rails like, you early in my build, and luckily they were installed from the gun deck to the berth deck so you couldn't see much of them. They weren't that good. The ones I made for the passage from the gun deck to the spar deck inspired by Mustafa's method, came out much better though still not as nice looking as yours. That was a lot of meticulous work you invested and you were rewarded with beautiful ladders. Well done!
Jon
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JSGerson got a reaction from Der Alte Rentner in USS Constitution by bthoe – Model Shipways – Scale 1:76.8 – 1812 era
If you have been following my log, you would know that ladders have been my nemesis. I tried building ladders without trend grooves in the side rails like, you early in my build, and luckily they were installed from the gun deck to the berth deck so you couldn't see much of them. They weren't that good. The ones I made for the passage from the gun deck to the spar deck inspired by Mustafa's method, came out much better though still not as nice looking as yours. That was a lot of meticulous work you invested and you were rewarded with beautiful ladders. Well done!
Jon
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JSGerson got a reaction from GGibson in USS Constitution by bthoe – Model Shipways – Scale 1:76.8 – 1812 era
If you have been following my log, you would know that ladders have been my nemesis. I tried building ladders without trend grooves in the side rails like, you early in my build, and luckily they were installed from the gun deck to the berth deck so you couldn't see much of them. They weren't that good. The ones I made for the passage from the gun deck to the spar deck inspired by Mustafa's method, came out much better though still not as nice looking as yours. That was a lot of meticulous work you invested and you were rewarded with beautiful ladders. Well done!
Jon
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JSGerson got a reaction from Der Alte Rentner in Constitution by Geoff Matson - Model Shipways 2040 - 1/76 scale
Beautiful planking job Pete!
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JSGerson got a reaction from Der Alte Rentner in USS Constitution by Der Alte Rentner - Model Shipways - 1/76
All of the horizontal elements should be parallel to the sill. The "vertical" elements however are NOT parallel (and not even vertical for that matter) but point to a vanishing point above the window while taking into account the windows are slanted innards towards the top and curve around the gallery. Something like the vanishing point in a perspective drawing by Salvador Dali. Simple, piece of cake!! 🤪
Good Luck!!!
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JSGerson got a reaction from Ryland Craze in Ship’s Boat by JSGerson - FINISHED - Model Shipways
I found I enjoyed making that boat so much, it was like eating potato chips, you can't stop at one. Soon after I finished the Rattlesnake, I started working on the Model Shipways USS Constitution. So, the first thing I started working on when I started the model was to fabricate the ship's four whale boats. You might want to check on those. That was seven years ago and I figure I've got another bunch of years to go.
Have fun, if nothing else
Jon
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JSGerson got a reaction from Knocklouder in Ship’s Boat by JSGerson - FINISHED - Model Shipways
I found I enjoyed making that boat so much, it was like eating potato chips, you can't stop at one. Soon after I finished the Rattlesnake, I started working on the Model Shipways USS Constitution. So, the first thing I started working on when I started the model was to fabricate the ship's four whale boats. You might want to check on those. That was seven years ago and I figure I've got another bunch of years to go.
Have fun, if nothing else
Jon
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JSGerson got a reaction from Stevenleehills in USS Constitution by Der Alte Rentner - Model Shipways - 1/76
All of the horizontal elements should be parallel to the sill. The "vertical" elements however are NOT parallel (and not even vertical for that matter) but point to a vanishing point above the window while taking into account the windows are slanted innards towards the top and curve around the gallery. Something like the vanishing point in a perspective drawing by Salvador Dali. Simple, piece of cake!! 🤪
Good Luck!!!
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JSGerson got a reaction from mtbediz in USS Constitution by Der Alte Rentner - Model Shipways - 1/76
All of the horizontal elements should be parallel to the sill. The "vertical" elements however are NOT parallel (and not even vertical for that matter) but point to a vanishing point above the window while taking into account the windows are slanted innards towards the top and curve around the gallery. Something like the vanishing point in a perspective drawing by Salvador Dali. Simple, piece of cake!! 🤪
Good Luck!!!
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JSGerson got a reaction from Stevenleehills in USS Constitution by Der Alte Rentner - Model Shipways - 1/76
As you have discovered, the quarter galleries are tricky, very tricky. There are no plans for the true shape of the individual windows and each window is different. The laser cut windows supplied by the kit are useless as they are from the elevation view and do not take into account the perspective distortions of all of the curved surfaces. I have the US Navy plans of the galleries, and they were just as confusing. The practicum does one thing right however. Mr. Hunt's end result for the shape of the windows is the best that I've have found. I made numerous attempts in constructing the windows out of wood (not styrene) and finally had to accept what I did as barely acceptable.
Take your time, make mock-ups, and don't lose patience.
Jon
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JSGerson got a reaction from GGibson in USS Constitution by Der Alte Rentner - Model Shipways - 1/76
As you have discovered, the quarter galleries are tricky, very tricky. There are no plans for the true shape of the individual windows and each window is different. The laser cut windows supplied by the kit are useless as they are from the elevation view and do not take into account the perspective distortions of all of the curved surfaces. I have the US Navy plans of the galleries, and they were just as confusing. The practicum does one thing right however. Mr. Hunt's end result for the shape of the windows is the best that I've have found. I made numerous attempts in constructing the windows out of wood (not styrene) and finally had to accept what I did as barely acceptable.
Take your time, make mock-ups, and don't lose patience.
Jon
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JSGerson got a reaction from mtbediz in USS Constitution by JSGerson - Model Shipways Kit No. MS2040
I believe the the vertical rollers help guide and move the anchor chain/cable or the messenger cable (not sure which at this point) when they are activated. They also provide (as you stated) a buffer from them rubbing on the vertical supports and columns.
I originally purchased the RP Toolz punch to create the thousands of pseudo boltheads you see on the bulwarks. The method the practicum used, plastic rivets heads, was too labor intensive and I felt the scale was too large. With this punch set, I could punch out 0.6mm - 2.0 mm diameter hemispheric pieces out of the brass plate. In both cases I used the 0.6mm punch. First, to create the pseudo bolthead and then here, to create the bracket holes. The set is not cheap. about $115. I don't remember what I paid for it when I got it some 5 years ago.
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JSGerson got a reaction from mtbediz in USS Constitution by Der Alte Rentner - Model Shipways - 1/76
As you have discovered, the quarter galleries are tricky, very tricky. There are no plans for the true shape of the individual windows and each window is different. The laser cut windows supplied by the kit are useless as they are from the elevation view and do not take into account the perspective distortions of all of the curved surfaces. I have the US Navy plans of the galleries, and they were just as confusing. The practicum does one thing right however. Mr. Hunt's end result for the shape of the windows is the best that I've have found. I made numerous attempts in constructing the windows out of wood (not styrene) and finally had to accept what I did as barely acceptable.
Take your time, make mock-ups, and don't lose patience.
Jon
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JSGerson got a reaction from GGibson in USS Constitution by JSGerson - Model Shipways Kit No. MS2040
I believe the the vertical rollers help guide and move the anchor chain/cable or the messenger cable (not sure which at this point) when they are activated. They also provide (as you stated) a buffer from them rubbing on the vertical supports and columns.
I originally purchased the RP Toolz punch to create the thousands of pseudo boltheads you see on the bulwarks. The method the practicum used, plastic rivets heads, was too labor intensive and I felt the scale was too large. With this punch set, I could punch out 0.6mm - 2.0 mm diameter hemispheric pieces out of the brass plate. In both cases I used the 0.6mm punch. First, to create the pseudo bolthead and then here, to create the bracket holes. The set is not cheap. about $115. I don't remember what I paid for it when I got it some 5 years ago.
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JSGerson got a reaction from Geoff Matson in USS Constitution by JSGerson - Model Shipways Kit No. MS2040
Another spar support beam was added complete with diagonal knees at the bulwarks where the bitts are located. The bitts in actuality, passes vertically through the planking of the spar deck. This wasn’t done on the model as they won’t be seen as a continuous structure and would just add another layer of complexity to the build. Therefore, the vertical column stopped at the top surface of the spar deck support beam. If all goes well, the bitts on the spar deck will be glued directly over the gun deck bitts without any adjustment. If not, there will be some wiggle room and any slight misalignments won’t be noticed (if all goes well).
The rollers were constructed as before for the foremast bitts. A hole was drilled to accept the cross beam. The brass rod slips inside the brass tube. The brackets were made from the brass sheet after a hole was punched into it for each bracket. Then the brass sheet was cut to size and bent to shape. Each wooden bitt was made of two pieces of stained (gunstock) boxwood cut to shape. The vertical pieces with the roller assembly were installed first. Once the glue dried, the diagonal braces were added to ensure a proper fit to the vertical and horizontal surfaces.
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JSGerson got a reaction from mtbediz in USS Constitution by JSGerson - Model Shipways Kit No. MS2040
Thanks everyone for the kudos.
Gun Deck Main Mast Bitts
The bitts next to the main mast are similar in function to the foremast bitts, but a little different design.
The bitts’ vertical posts cross sections were measured from the US Navy plan as 1/16”x1/16” (scale). The remainder of the dimensions were “eyeballed.” All wooden parts were boxwood. Parts:
Vertical post 1/16”x1/16” Diagonal braces 3/32”x 3/32” Horizontal beam 3/64”x3/64” Brass roller bracket 0.010” thick plate Brass roller pin 0.032” diameter rod Brass roller tube 1/16”
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JSGerson got a reaction from mtbediz in USS Constitution by JSGerson - Model Shipways Kit No. MS2040
Another spar support beam was added complete with diagonal knees at the bulwarks where the bitts are located. The bitts in actuality, passes vertically through the planking of the spar deck. This wasn’t done on the model as they won’t be seen as a continuous structure and would just add another layer of complexity to the build. Therefore, the vertical column stopped at the top surface of the spar deck support beam. If all goes well, the bitts on the spar deck will be glued directly over the gun deck bitts without any adjustment. If not, there will be some wiggle room and any slight misalignments won’t be noticed (if all goes well).
The rollers were constructed as before for the foremast bitts. A hole was drilled to accept the cross beam. The brass rod slips inside the brass tube. The brackets were made from the brass sheet after a hole was punched into it for each bracket. Then the brass sheet was cut to size and bent to shape. Each wooden bitt was made of two pieces of stained (gunstock) boxwood cut to shape. The vertical pieces with the roller assembly were installed first. Once the glue dried, the diagonal braces were added to ensure a proper fit to the vertical and horizontal surfaces.
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JSGerson got a reaction from Nirvana in USS Constitution by JSGerson - Model Shipways Kit No. MS2040
Another spar support beam was added complete with diagonal knees at the bulwarks where the bitts are located. The bitts in actuality, passes vertically through the planking of the spar deck. This wasn’t done on the model as they won’t be seen as a continuous structure and would just add another layer of complexity to the build. Therefore, the vertical column stopped at the top surface of the spar deck support beam. If all goes well, the bitts on the spar deck will be glued directly over the gun deck bitts without any adjustment. If not, there will be some wiggle room and any slight misalignments won’t be noticed (if all goes well).
The rollers were constructed as before for the foremast bitts. A hole was drilled to accept the cross beam. The brass rod slips inside the brass tube. The brackets were made from the brass sheet after a hole was punched into it for each bracket. Then the brass sheet was cut to size and bent to shape. Each wooden bitt was made of two pieces of stained (gunstock) boxwood cut to shape. The vertical pieces with the roller assembly were installed first. Once the glue dried, the diagonal braces were added to ensure a proper fit to the vertical and horizontal surfaces.
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JSGerson got a reaction from Unegawahya in USS Constitution by JSGerson - Model Shipways Kit No. MS2040
Thanks everyone for the kudos.
Gun Deck Main Mast Bitts
The bitts next to the main mast are similar in function to the foremast bitts, but a little different design.
The bitts’ vertical posts cross sections were measured from the US Navy plan as 1/16”x1/16” (scale). The remainder of the dimensions were “eyeballed.” All wooden parts were boxwood. Parts:
Vertical post 1/16”x1/16” Diagonal braces 3/32”x 3/32” Horizontal beam 3/64”x3/64” Brass roller bracket 0.010” thick plate Brass roller pin 0.032” diameter rod Brass roller tube 1/16”
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