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michael101 got a reaction from EricWilliamMarshall in HMS Victory by michael101 - Caldercraft - Scale 1:72
A little update
The building going a bit slowly because I'm working on the Ship Skeleton...
I come back late in the evening and do not have much power to work on the construction of the ship also the table saw making a lot of noise at the evening lol
most of my time build right now is in Friday that i have all a day free to build
here is some pictures of my progress , i installed blocks between the bulkheads also behind the barrel strip i glue some wood (1mm thick ) to push the strip outside in the slots ...
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michael101 got a reaction from EricWilliamMarshall in HMS Victory by michael101 - Caldercraft - Scale 1:72
now I'm about starting the shape of the ship i mean the fairing progress , i want to do that before installing the patterns of the gun ports for not getting any damage on the patterns ...
i have ask before about the shape of the bow forward supports (40 – 42)
and after fairing... i got it straight with the bulkheads 1 and 2
now the only problem is the level between bulkhead 1 to bulkhead 3 i mean the bulkhead no.2 is a bit up ...
i saw in all of the victory build logs the same level ! but I'm not sure if i need to put some plank on that bulkhead no.2 or to sand bulkhead no.3
for getting nice and smooth curve down the bow
here is the picture :
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michael101 reacted to Baker in block fillers at the bow
Michael,
I did fair the bulkheads before installing the filler blocks.
Since I did not have good drawings. I had to draw my own bulckheads (frames)
These filler blocks have saved my model.
For me it is like the first planking on the hull. But with more space for sanding away any errors
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michael101 got a reaction from thibaultron in block fillers at the bow
Beautiful work Pete !!!
Now im working on a new system for making block filler very easy
i hop and it will work well and if so .. i will publish a little guide in my victory build log
about the wood im using the is : pine wood, i took the advice from my best friend Matti Pilola he also a member in that forum (one of the best builders )
and like i wrote God willing and it will work then i will publish the guide
Best regards ,
Michael.
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michael101 got a reaction from thibaultron in block fillers at the bow
Thank you Ian ,
so the best way is to make the block fillers first without touching the bulkheads by fairing..
than to install the block and after all to start fairing ...
is the same as i thought
Hellk Backer ,
yes the question is about the block fillers , but from your pictures i cant see if you fair the bulkheads before or after installing the blocks fillers
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michael101 reacted to Pete Jaquith in block fillers at the bow
Hi Michael,
In my 14 Gun Brig "Fair American" build (here on MSW) I choose to use filler blocks to assist in hull fairing as well as providing improved support for planking. Filler blocks were bass wood glued to the bulkheads prior to hull assembly. Fairing was accomplished using 60 grit sandpaper wrapped around hardwood dowels. This approach was successful in providing a well faired hull from an inaccurate set of kit furnished bulkheads. I wood recommend bass wood or pine for filler blocks as its easy to work with but strong enough to support planking.
Regards,
Pete
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michael101 got a reaction from Baker in block fillers at the bow
Thank you Ian ,
so the best way is to make the block fillers first without touching the bulkheads by fairing..
than to install the block and after all to start fairing ...
is the same as i thought
Hellk Backer ,
yes the question is about the block fillers , but from your pictures i cant see if you fair the bulkheads before or after installing the blocks fillers
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michael101 got a reaction from Canute in block fillers at the bow
Thank you Ian ,
so the best way is to make the block fillers first without touching the bulkheads by fairing..
than to install the block and after all to start fairing ...
is the same as i thought
Hellk Backer ,
yes the question is about the block fillers , but from your pictures i cant see if you fair the bulkheads before or after installing the blocks fillers
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michael101 got a reaction from EricWilliamMarshall in HMS Victory by michael101 - Caldercraft - Scale 1:72
Hello friends
tomorrow i wont to work on the bow stage but i saw the the line of the second bulkhead that is going up of the keelson line also something looks a bit weird with the line of the
bow forward supports (40 – 42) here is a picture that i took ( dry fit )
please advice
btw the second bulkhead are good fit ! The middle gun deck is 45mm from the bottom as the plans !
best regards ,
Michael.
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michael101 got a reaction from pompey2 in HMS Victory by michael101 - Caldercraft - Scale 1:72
Hello friends
tomorrow i wont to work on the bow stage but i saw the the line of the second bulkhead that is going up of the keelson line also something looks a bit weird with the line of the
bow forward supports (40 – 42) here is a picture that i took ( dry fit )
please advice
btw the second bulkhead are good fit ! The middle gun deck is 45mm from the bottom as the plans !
best regards ,
Michael.
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michael101 got a reaction from EJ_L in HMS Victory by michael101 - Caldercraft - Scale 1:72
Hello Reach
good to see you in my build log
thank you for your comment
and yes i will do that 4 plank shift on the lower deck , My observation about our hobby its to take the time and to work slowly and do my best on any stage ,
to be honest if i wanted to have that ship at home i could fined it on eBay ready to put it in the show box but for me to have that ship in the show box its only a bonus
and for sure you agree with me, my proof is your build log and you doing a best job !
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michael101 got a reaction from EricWilliamMarshall in HMS Victory by michael101 - Caldercraft - Scale 1:72
a little update
today i glued the bulkheads in positions
i had to fix bulkhead no. 13 , and to put all of the bulkhead in position
my advice : never trust the laser cut !!! check in the plans what is the highest of the water line or in our case the middle gun deck..
and hold the keel in 90 degrees to some board , and start measuring every bulkhead than double check all the walls/decks act.
For more accuracy i cut 2 pieces of 11 mm (the same size as the keelson that installed in the front ) and i have put on that to pieces of plywood and did the same thing in the bow i have put 2 pieces of plywood but without the extra pieces of the 11mm becouse there is a keelson , than i had enough space to put the 90 degrees ruler to check the bulkheads
and because of that model its huge, i had to put all the bulkheads in the right place then i glue them from out side by timbers
the deck is in , but without glue (not had time to glue that today )
my next stage before putting the patterns of the gun ports its to make it ready for fairing the hull proses
by putting columns between the bulkheads i think to use 17mm plywood (that what i have in stock lol) but becoase the bulkheads are very big
i will make the wide of the columns 5cm wide by 17mm and to glue them in a diagonal position .. but will see
Cheers
Michael.
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michael101 reacted to Shipyard sid in HMS Victory by michael101 - Caldercraft - Scale 1:72
Hello michael
I thought you had passed that stage. Others may give you advice on this, and maybe better advice, which will prob include soaking. What I did was give the strips a good sanding. and added a slight taper at the front of the strip for approx 2" for a lead in, and tapped it through the slots, with no problems, but that was only me. Regards DAVID
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michael101 reacted to Shipyard sid in HMS Victory by michael101 - Caldercraft - Scale 1:72
Hello michael
As I said I planked both decks with four butt shift, but Rich is correct, very little is seen of the deck. I dont know what you mean about the 5 mm ply on the canons and curve. DAVID
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michael101 got a reaction from EJ_L in HMS Victory by michael101 - Caldercraft - Scale 1:72
a little update
today i glued the bulkheads in positions
i had to fix bulkhead no. 13 , and to put all of the bulkhead in position
my advice : never trust the laser cut !!! check in the plans what is the highest of the water line or in our case the middle gun deck..
and hold the keel in 90 degrees to some board , and start measuring every bulkhead than double check all the walls/decks act.
For more accuracy i cut 2 pieces of 11 mm (the same size as the keelson that installed in the front ) and i have put on that to pieces of plywood and did the same thing in the bow i have put 2 pieces of plywood but without the extra pieces of the 11mm becouse there is a keelson , than i had enough space to put the 90 degrees ruler to check the bulkheads
and because of that model its huge, i had to put all the bulkheads in the right place then i glue them from out side by timbers
the deck is in , but without glue (not had time to glue that today )
my next stage before putting the patterns of the gun ports its to make it ready for fairing the hull proses
by putting columns between the bulkheads i think to use 17mm plywood (that what i have in stock lol) but becoase the bulkheads are very big
i will make the wide of the columns 5cm wide by 17mm and to glue them in a diagonal position .. but will see
Cheers
Michael.
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michael101 got a reaction from EricWilliamMarshall in HMS Victory by michael101 - Caldercraft - Scale 1:72
Thank you David
i did the sanding in the firs stage
by the way before sanding i made an external support for the corner of the keel
in the manual they say that the secunde keelson will be install after doing the second plank ...
its mean that aria of sanding will be without support because the L supports that i made on the construction board not going to support that aria
they will touch the keel above the sanding aria , and the corner of the keel can get curve until you will finish plank the first plank
so first of all i cute some plywood same thick as the keel and same hight as the first keelson (11mm)
and drilled exactly in the middel of that plywood to the bottom of the keel then i connect the external plywood by brass pin
and now the L support are holding the sanding aria exactly in the middle of the L supports
here some pictures :
and for the pillars for sure i will follow your advice !
Regards ,
Michael.
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michael101 got a reaction from EJ_L in HMS Victory by michael101 - Caldercraft - Scale 1:72
Thank you David
i did the sanding in the firs stage
by the way before sanding i made an external support for the corner of the keel
in the manual they say that the secunde keelson will be install after doing the second plank ...
its mean that aria of sanding will be without support because the L supports that i made on the construction board not going to support that aria
they will touch the keel above the sanding aria , and the corner of the keel can get curve until you will finish plank the first plank
so first of all i cute some plywood same thick as the keel and same hight as the first keelson (11mm)
and drilled exactly in the middel of that plywood to the bottom of the keel then i connect the external plywood by brass pin
and now the L support are holding the sanding aria exactly in the middle of the L supports
here some pictures :
and for the pillars for sure i will follow your advice !
Regards ,
Michael.
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michael101 got a reaction from EJ_L in HMS Victory by michael101 - Caldercraft - Scale 1:72
Hello Paul ,
thank you! , and that its true not all the bulkhead going until the end of the keel ..
But On the secund question i was asking about the distance between the Decks
take a look at the distance between the decks from the firs deck to the second deck is perfect, but from the secund to the third and also the third to the fourh is not the same as the plans ...
any way like the disiner say above there is no problem ... you cant take the plan as a guide because the drawing showing cross section
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michael101 got a reaction from popeye the sailor in HMS Victory by Steve 12345 - FINISHED - Mantua/Panart - 1/78
beautiful work !!!!
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michael101 got a reaction from mtaylor in Bulkhead no. 13 Victory caldercraft
Thank you Heinz!
i got answer from caldercraft
i posted the answer in my build log
http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15501-hms-victory-by-michael101-caldercraft-scale-172/
Regards,
Michael.
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michael101 got a reaction from Rob S in HMS Victory by michael101 - Caldercraft - Scale 1:72
The answer for that is :
i have called caldercraft today and send them the pictures
i have talk with the guy how design that ship and he told me the middle gun deck mast be 145 !
so the problem is the bulkhead and just need to sand the slot and also the bottom of that bulkhead
and i asked hem if need to sand all the down part of that bulkhead or only the corners
the answer is : only the corners of the bottom and he told me dont worry you will need to take a lot from that bulkhead doing the fairing
also i have ask:
when i check the plans there is something wrong with the top of all bulkheads
take a look at this pictures
from the middle gun deck to the second deck its like in the plans but the third deck and the fourth deck is not suitable with the plans
and he told me:
the drawing and bulkhead are both correct. The drawing is a cross section through the centreline of the ship and therefore shows the midline of the deck; due to the deck camber this point is higher than the reference point you are using on the bulkhead shown in your picture (the middle deck has no camber which is why it appears to align correctly)
hope its will help someone
Best regards ,
Michael.
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michael101 got a reaction from EricWilliamMarshall in HMS Victory by michael101 - Caldercraft - Scale 1:72
hello again
very important :
i got a little issue and it will be good to post that issues here :
if im understanding good the plans , the middle gun deck need to be perfectly straight 145 mm high from the keelson (including the keelson)
the problem with bulkhead 13 that is flash with the keelson line like he need to be in the plans …
but the deck line is 1 mm above the 145mm line of the middle gun deck…
so im not sure if the problem is in the bulkhead 13 and i need to sand 1 mm from the slot and also from under the bulkhead ,
or the problem is in the plans .. and from bulkhead 13 the middle gun deck need to start going up ..
please need your help with that issue
also i compre bulkhead 12 with bulkhead 13 i put them flash in the deck line and bulkhead 13 its higher than bulkhead i mean from the deck line to the bottom of the bulkhead
here is some pictures
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michael101 reacted to paul carruthers in HMS Victory by michael101 - Caldercraft - Scale 1:72
Not every bulkhead will go to the bottom of the false keel, perhaps it only goes to the level of the shown beard line, try matching that and see if it corrects the height
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michael101 reacted to pompey2 in HMS Victory by michael101 - Caldercraft - Scale 1:72
Hi Michael
It's nice to see you are making the Caldercraft Victory, I hope you enjoy it.
I will be following along on your journey.
Nick