Louie da fly

Very nice. It messes with my mind. 

Decks nearly planked. Trying to use slightly different tones of lime to make it more interesting, but only strips I’ve remaining are very pale and the same so will order a few more in hope  
for more variation.

The Lomellina (Genoese, sank 1516) had a capstan a little aft of the mainmast, with a knight between the two.
 
 


As the May Rose's mast appears to have been directly forward of the aftercastle, it would perhaps be a little differently arranged. But Generally I'd expect it to be similar. On my Great Harry, I put the knight and capstan on the upper deck of the aftercastle - see post #308 at
but that's not to say my interpretation is correct. By the way, note that unlike later capstans, the holes for the bars pass right through the capstan and are at two different levels. So there are only two bars, each of which extends out from both sides of the capstan, so there are only four positions for the crew to push at the capstan.
 
I hope that helps.
 
Steven

And as far as archaeology can tell us, this is the way it was actually done. 😁

The Lomellina (Genoese, sank 1516) had a capstan a little aft of the mainmast, with a knight between the two.
 
 


As the May Rose's mast appears to have been directly forward of the aftercastle, it would perhaps be a little differently arranged. But Generally I'd expect it to be similar. On my Great Harry, I put the knight and capstan on the upper deck of the aftercastle - see post #308 at
but that's not to say my interpretation is correct. By the way, note that unlike later capstans, the holes for the bars pass right through the capstan and are at two different levels. So there are only two bars, each of which extends out from both sides of the capstan, so there are only four positions for the crew to push at the capstan.
 
I hope that helps.
 
Steven

The Lomellina (Genoese, sank 1516) had a capstan a little aft of the mainmast, with a knight between the two.
 
 


As the May Rose's mast appears to have been directly forward of the aftercastle, it would perhaps be a little differently arranged. But Generally I'd expect it to be similar. On my Great Harry, I put the knight and capstan on the upper deck of the aftercastle - see post #308 at
but that's not to say my interpretation is correct. By the way, note that unlike later capstans, the holes for the bars pass right through the capstan and are at two different levels. So there are only two bars, each of which extends out from both sides of the capstan, so there are only four positions for the crew to push at the capstan.
 
I hope that helps.
 
Steven

The Lomellina (Genoese, sank 1516) had a capstan a little aft of the mainmast, with a knight between the two.
 
 


As the May Rose's mast appears to have been directly forward of the aftercastle, it would perhaps be a little differently arranged. But Generally I'd expect it to be similar. On my Great Harry, I put the knight and capstan on the upper deck of the aftercastle - see post #308 at
but that's not to say my interpretation is correct. By the way, note that unlike later capstans, the holes for the bars pass right through the capstan and are at two different levels. So there are only two bars, each of which extends out from both sides of the capstan, so there are only four positions for the crew to push at the capstan.
 
I hope that helps.
 
Steven

Thanks Steven,
This capstan also served to raise the anchors and is therefore placed on the upper deck.
 
On the upper deck of the rear castle there is a winch for operating the mizzen sail.
 
But, I completely forgot about the knight For the main sail.
Thanks for bringing this up.

The Lomellina (Genoese, sank 1516) had a capstan a little aft of the mainmast, with a knight between the two.
 
 


As the May Rose's mast appears to have been directly forward of the aftercastle, it would perhaps be a little differently arranged. But Generally I'd expect it to be similar. On my Great Harry, I put the knight and capstan on the upper deck of the aftercastle - see post #308 at
but that's not to say my interpretation is correct. By the way, note that unlike later capstans, the holes for the bars pass right through the capstan and are at two different levels. So there are only two bars, each of which extends out from both sides of the capstan, so there are only four positions for the crew to push at the capstan.
 
I hope that helps.
 
Steven

The Lomellina (Genoese, sank 1516) had a capstan a little aft of the mainmast, with a knight between the two.
 
 


As the May Rose's mast appears to have been directly forward of the aftercastle, it would perhaps be a little differently arranged. But Generally I'd expect it to be similar. On my Great Harry, I put the knight and capstan on the upper deck of the aftercastle - see post #308 at
but that's not to say my interpretation is correct. By the way, note that unlike later capstans, the holes for the bars pass right through the capstan and are at two different levels. So there are only two bars, each of which extends out from both sides of the capstan, so there are only four positions for the crew to push at the capstan.
 
I hope that helps.
 
Steven

The Lomellina (Genoese, sank 1516) had a capstan a little aft of the mainmast, with a knight between the two.
 
 


As the May Rose's mast appears to have been directly forward of the aftercastle, it would perhaps be a little differently arranged. But Generally I'd expect it to be similar. On my Great Harry, I put the knight and capstan on the upper deck of the aftercastle - see post #308 at
but that's not to say my interpretation is correct. By the way, note that unlike later capstans, the holes for the bars pass right through the capstan and are at two different levels. So there are only two bars, each of which extends out from both sides of the capstan, so there are only four positions for the crew to push at the capstan.
 
I hope that helps.
 
Steven

The Lomellina (Genoese, sank 1516) had a capstan a little aft of the mainmast, with a knight between the two.
 
 


As the May Rose's mast appears to have been directly forward of the aftercastle, it would perhaps be a little differently arranged. But Generally I'd expect it to be similar. On my Great Harry, I put the knight and capstan on the upper deck of the aftercastle - see post #308 at
but that's not to say my interpretation is correct. By the way, note that unlike later capstans, the holes for the bars pass right through the capstan and are at two different levels. So there are only two bars, each of which extends out from both sides of the capstan, so there are only four positions for the crew to push at the capstan.
 
I hope that helps.
 
Steven

The Lomellina (Genoese, sank 1516) had a capstan a little aft of the mainmast, with a knight between the two.
 
 


As the May Rose's mast appears to have been directly forward of the aftercastle, it would perhaps be a little differently arranged. But Generally I'd expect it to be similar. On my Great Harry, I put the knight and capstan on the upper deck of the aftercastle - see post #308 at
but that's not to say my interpretation is correct. By the way, note that unlike later capstans, the holes for the bars pass right through the capstan and are at two different levels. So there are only two bars, each of which extends out from both sides of the capstan, so there are only four positions for the crew to push at the capstan.
 
I hope that helps.
 
Steven

Patrick, I'm sending you the report in a PM. (I hope you can read French!)
 
Steven

Patrick, Did I send you Max Guerot's report on the guns of the Lomellina, with a very comprehensive examination of the types of guns in use in the first half of the 16th century? If not, I can send it to you if you like.
 
Steven

Magnificent work, Patrick.
 
Just a quick question - can you tell us the reason for the arches with grey-painted 'false openings' instead of being cut into the hull?
 
Steven

You probably saw that in my dromon log. Apparently a shrill tone carries far better than a deep one (such as a drum - , Hollywood!) which tends to get drowned out by other low-pitched noises such as the groaning of the oars on the tholes, sloosh of the water creak of the masts etc. Note that the rowing master on the reconstruction used a whistle to give the rowers the time.
 
On the other hand here's how NOT to do it!
 
OUCH! 
 
Steven

There was a lot of discussion relating to just that problem when they were working out the design of Olympias. Apparently even after the design had been finalised and the ship built, they discovered there was a certain amount of fouling between oars of the different banks, resulting in broken oars.
 
Ben Hur was pretty bad. Have a look at the reality of rowing a multi-banked galley at 
 
Oh, and the Romans didn't have galley slaves - neither did the Ancient Greeks; that didn't come in until the Renaissance. The ships were rowed by freemen.
 
Steven
 
 

Thanks everybody.
 
I'm still working on the Ballarat paddlesteamer Golden City, but my next project will be a Genoese carrack, based on archaeological reports of a vessel named the Lomellina which sank in the southern French harbour of Villefranche-sur-Mer in 1516 and was investigated in the 1980's. It will be at a scale of 1:100.
 
Steven

A-A-A-A-AND . . . .FINISHED!!!!

Steven

In the church of San Marco (Saint Mark's) in Venice is a series of mosaics celebrating the so-called "translation" of the body of Saint Mark from Alexandria to Venice, where he became the city's Patron Saint.
 
"According to legend, Saint Mark’s body was taken from Alexandria, Egypt, in 828. Two Venetian merchants travelling in Alexandria, obtained the relics of Saint Mark from Priests at the church of Saint Mark, where the saint’s body was interred. The Priests feared Saint Mark’s relics might be damaged or destroyed by the Saracens during the persecution of the Catholic community in Alexandria. Promising to safeguard the Saint’s relics, the merchants convinced the Priests to allow them  to return to Venice with the body of Saint Mark.
The body of Saint Mark was taken out of the sarcophagus and unwrapped from its silk shroud, the relic being substituted by another and less eminent Saint. It was then placed in a chest and taken on board the Venetian ship, the merchants first ensuring, that the Saint’s remains were covered by a layer of pork and cabbage. When the Muslim officials asked to inspect the chest, they cried out ‘Kanzir, kanzir’ (Oh horror) at the sight and smell of the pork. . . . Thus the Evangelist was safely conveyed to Venice but not before a number of miracles eased his passage across the Mediterranean.”
 
There are five mosaic panels showing the ship itself at various stages of the voyage. They are all very much the same - three masted, lateen rigged, with two side-rudders - but with minor variations in the shape of the aftercastle, the stempost, the line of the gunwale etc. Some of these variations don't make a lot of sense and I am going to have to reconcile them and come up with a version that I'm happy with.
 

 
 

 
This is a rather difficult ship to get a good concept of, but I was inspired by a couple of sketches on a Facebook forum by Wagdemar Lookomsky (I hope he doesn't mind me posting them here) which finally suggested a configuration for this ship that made sense. 
 

 
 

 
I'll be using these as a basis for my own reconstruction, but I won't be copying them exactly.
 
I will be basing the hull shape mainly on that of the 14th century Contarina ship which Woodrat has already used for his 14th century Venetian Round Ship (see https://modelshipworld.com/topic/17991-venetian-round-ship-13th-century-by-woodrat-132-scale-fully-framed-completed/ ) and I will be shamelessly copying much of his technique in building my own (though at a smaller scale).
 
However, this is at the research stage at the moment. First I want to get a lot more done on my Great Harry restoration, which as languished while I built my nef.
 
But this is a bit of a heads-up for those who are interested.
 
Steven
 

A-A-A-A-AND . . . .FINISHED!!!!

Steven

A-A-A-A-AND . . . .FINISHED!!!!

Steven

Looks like I'm on a roll today. I just came across these photos of a Portuguese vessel under construction with a bow that is very reminiscent of many mediaeval Mediterranean ones, particularly those of the San Marco mosaics.
 

 

 

 
Could be of great use.
 
Steven

I've moved and shortened the aftercastle (poop?) and also narrowed it. So this is how it looks now (including a view from above). Though it looks like the aftercastle is now flush with the sides of the ship that's not really true, as the hull narrows there. I'm trying to balance having enough room for the side rudders with not making the castle too wide for good seakeeping.
 

 
 

 

 
I'd debated with myself whether to taper the aftercastle so it narrowed as it went aft - a trapezium rather than a rectangle - but looking at other mediaeval Mediterranean ships where you can see it in 3 dimensions (though unfortunately most are a couple of centuries later), they almost all seem to be rectangular (where they're not semi-circular or some other weird shape).
 
        
 
 
      
 
 

 
And I've decided not to include the "thunderboxes" because I can't see them shown on any contemporary picture where you'd expect to them to be. Not to say they may not have existed, but I'd want to find more corroboration before I added something which is otherwise just speculative.
 
Steven