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Hello Robin,

please do not regret as it was great input :-)

I added Thomas Ender´s in the earlier picture, thank you for the hint! There is a second similar picture existing which also shows this wealth of great details that you mentioned.

Thank you all for your replies and to make me feel not to be the only one being interested to the side topics of historical seamanship!

Daniel

Thank you B.E. and ST,

yes, this is a fitting on a french build frigate and maintained by the austrians in an italian style ;-)

XXXDAn

Just was posting this picture in another place and realised the hammocs on this drawing of Thomas ender of 1817 on the austrian frigate Austria

Also diagonally as shown in the models.. Nice to see the lashings.

Daniel

Exactely, but do consider, there are no guns on the poop ...

It would mean to climb over the not too stable hammock cranes and nettings, and then - standing on this flexible structure -  still having to cross the gap as the shrouds are more outwards. Does not sound too practical. On top of it, there are often the boats of the side davits being secured/lashed to the mizzen shrouds, which makes the passage there rather tricky.

In the picture of the first entry of this thread one can see two small jacob ladders attached to the main shrouds coming down to the deck. A very logical thing to have. The earliest proof I found was this picture of 1817.  It would be logical to be introduced much earlier. Are there earlier signs of this?

Cheers, DAniel

It was quite common by the artists to exaggerate the height of the decks :-)

Nicely to be seen on the painting of Nelon´s Death ...

But a lot of details can be noticed and if one takes the lowest common divisor it gives an idea about how it could have been.

XXXDAn

Here are some scetches out off NMM:

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/103234.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/126522.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/126516.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/200175.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/127873.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/127877.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/127878.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/68390.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/68393.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/68396.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/86681.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83237.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79886.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79887.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/108967.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/127888.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/127865.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66743.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/200768.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/12610.html

Daniel

Thank you B.E., what a mess they had back there ;-)

Brian, see here - Diet:

http://www.hms-victory.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=73&Itemid=476

Calf’s­ foot jelly - simply delicious, one has to try :-)

XXXDAb 

Was the size of the trays of square meals regulated? I believe it was more or less half the depth of the table and so it could be variying upon the space available?

In the pictures and drawings they appear to have about 40 cm in size

http://www.flickr.com/photos/58679007@N00/5700633764/in/photostream/

Thank you, Daniel

Edit: Enlarged the titel as some aspects of the mess fit nicely.

In this scale one could also try the method described by Reed: a short bit of wire and some white glue.

Wonderful!!!

XXXDAn

Been there Jan, done that ...

... thats the one I had done from the parts of the box ...

... and that is how it looked like before ...

... just the little knobs missing that I cut off to get a bending template.

Much more a good magnifying glass is needed :-)

XXXDAn

Mark, you old flatterer :-)

And of course I have to like this, but Willi is still far beyond :-)

The only modeler I know who build a 1:1 waterline model with full rigging ...

Thank you SkechupModeller. This solved one thing I was thinking long for already.

Daniel

Thank you Mark,

I was in Austria, near my favorite place in the secret austrian ship yards where I already discovered the SMS Trinkstein ...

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/349-sms-trinkstein-by-dafi-sos-stone-on-soil-flush-deck-frigate-of-the-austrian-mountain-navy/

This time I meet sone austrian forum comrades and visited the Go Modelling exhibition. Very few sailing ships, the ones shown mostely made out of paper which took me some time to discover, that perfect they were :-)

Highlight were the Royal Oak in the Heeresgeschichtliches Museum Wien (Army Museum Vienna) and the York of Willi Meischel, which I had the honor to meet on his place.

http://www.schifferlbauer.at/seite64.html

http://www.schifferlbauer.at/seite16.html

http://www.schifferlbauer.at/seite17.html

http://www.schifferlbauer.at/seite18.html

http://www.schifferlbauer.at/seite19.html

Enjoy, Daniel

Nice to see things moving here :-)

All the best, Daniel

Hello Jan,

just back from a holiday, so the answer a bit late. Thank you for your comment.

Both versions base on a 0,4 mm diameter, which is near the real thing. Just the etch has a square form and so always appears a tad thicker if seen from diagonally. The lengths of the middle parts of my etch ones have still to be shortened a bit.

I think no etch can beat a self- made version out of round wire on this place, but it is a question of ability and endurance and of course of convenience which version one does prefer for his own build. But it is far better than the original Heller version, which one was - has to admit - innovative and a big step forward in sailing ship model making by the time that the kit was released!

Liebe Grüße, Daniel

As always:  intriguing to watch, impeccable execution and stunning result :-)

And the most important: thank you for showing your know-how!!!

Liebe Grüße, Daniel

Always an enormous pleasure to see your Build, Daniel

Thank you Sirs,

@p2s: Not shown here, but easily done when needed.

:-)

Daniel

Hello Jay, looks like my earlier post didn´t make it to the front end ...

These drills I use are from Proxxon/Dremmel accessories department. There are the same kind from the DIY department stores, but they are inferior quality.

Daniel

Great fun to review this!

Daniel

Could it be said that the staysails are just going to the sprit itself but not to the topmast as this was a rather fragile construction?

If a jib was used, can it be, that the topsail spar was taken down and replaced by a spar protruding to the front becoming later on the Jibboom?

Daniel