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@cogOh no! Have a look at the two pictures I posted above. And think about the Mediterranean cuisine.So... no just dont do it on August. Christos -
@cog it seems you forget Cyprus is in.Mediterranean and almost in Middle East... so humidity is uncomncomparly worst than The Netherlands. Just an example: in August there are days that humidity may reaches even 90% and temperature 40 deg. Celsius! .Now is still wonderful with 28 degrees and 65% humidity.
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@cog I noted: And ofcourse the false keel was left without copper sheathing, in order to allow the replacement of the false keel when needed
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Robert tripod is allowed. A gentleman was using it freely as I was making my own visit. My handy camera wasnt bad, but as I came home I realised my pictures were not of much quality. On the contrary yours are lovely and more important they are substantial!. Congrats. Christos
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@cog The first picture it shows the finished coppering, now the second picture (showing a stage before finishing) was supposed to be posted before the first one, but something went wrong I guess.... anyway I just reedited the post and placed the pictures in the correct time sequence. 👌 Its very warm allready in Cyprus... 32 degrees Celsius. So thank you for your understanding!😎
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Thank you Jeff.. Are you going to copper her also? Christos
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So now after 160 working hours -from beginning the build in.March- I have ended the coppering. I used about 1000 plates, as the 1790 Ship, a bottle of acetone and 2 lemons to clean the plates from glue and finger tips although I was wearing plastic gloves during this work. I also used up the kitchen nylon roll of my wife! (Used it to cover the finished coppering). At the end the rudder with its pintels and gudgeons... you can see in the picture the greek words for those two items. And ofcourse the false keel was left without copper sheathing, in order to allow the replacement of the false keel when needed
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Great shots! Profi work. I have done that a year ago... but my pictures.... I dont know if it was the excitement of beeing there ... but my pictures dont show any😄 Christos
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I have made a search about the railing. Am not 100% sure about my conclusions. But... it seems to me an outer railing with metal stanchions and wood is correct.And an inner one (the one over the boat/gun deck) with metal stanchions and rope... incl. the stairs railing going down to the lower deck, is again right! So this is how I will go...
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Who are the guys from Gamelabs?
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@Chapman IOU one! 🍾 Thanks and cheers Christos Ps. Could you please, if its convenient, send me a copy/picture of the abstract/plan, for my archive? I would be greatfull
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@Chapman thank you sir. Very interesting! So such systems did exist... and more to that, the one described in Ballu's book concerns the 1779 ship also and not just the replica. Do you agree with this?
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Now... thats an art work made from J.B.Heron for the Association Hermione Lafayette. Its in the book of Emanuel De Fontainieu....showing actually the ship of 1779 and the basin to be metal or at least the same material as the roof of the stove it self (18) on the gun deck. There is even an additional -and very interesting- detail: the duct looks to be reflected in the basin... this way bringing the viewer the sense of the existence of water!
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Great news Jeff... Happy for you that your son is going well. Hope and wish that soon he shall be completely strong and healthy and all this difficult times for your family shall be over and remain only as a long gone fade out memory. Nice that your back. So lets see now what you can do as 18th century ship builder.... he he. Waiting to see some professional Hermione building now from you.
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Wuaooo Peter! Christos Ps. Ιστοδοκοί "oi" not "ai"(although it could have been in a more modern greek laguage also correct) .. and καθορμείς.. 100% correct. Just as only a linguistic point.
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Coppering goes on....
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@cog yes you right. Its the admiralty satin matt.... its very nice on unpainted wood though, but here.... I ll give it a shot, but matt am afraid it wont take away the flatness Christos
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@cogYes thats correct. Look the pictures I did some tests... the blue looks much better with a sattin varnish. The yellow its not bad.... the black I dont know it seems you are right again I have to dilute with more water. What do you think? Christos
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@cog haven't though of this and it seems you are right. Good point! Am going to make some tests and see how it looks. And yes satin finish can bring it to life. Have only one fear... if the satin finish takes away the plank pattern that is now visible (I tried hard to maintain it by using a very thin primer layer and just one coat of finish paint) I ll let you know about the test. I am going first to wait to finish the copper in case I need to touch up paint damages. Thx Carl Christos
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@cog Dear Carl am very happy that you follow my log and very glad for all your comments/questions.... You make me ask myself questions and that is nice. So your questions are definitely not "silly"... on the contrary they are helping. I dont know if my previous response sounded defensive. That wasnt meant to be. And if it did, that makes me feel very embarrassed, so please accept my apologies. As already said please keep coming with ideas... it helps a lot and ofcourse it makes the log more lively! Still would like your thoughts on the issue of painting a finish layer over the already painted hull. Christos
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@cog oh dear friend excuse me... I thought you talked about the copper. I dont know. Again I think not to. I have the feeling this way -no laquer- looks more natural. Again a mat lacquer could give a good protection to the colours, but still make it look fake in a way. What do you suggest? Christos
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@cog Last time -though I have played with this thought- I didnt. I let it get its patina naturally and looked great. So I think not... unless you suggest that it can help in the end result somehow. I am afraid if the lacquer (may be a matt one) prevents or delay the patina and lets that copper shine on... which I find for the ship look rather unnatural.
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@Louie da fly yes Steven cast iron was there. The galeys and the stoves were made from cast iron earlier than the the 18th century. The question is the existence of the cooling system it self. And if they had such system... then yes also copper could have been the material used. Welding could not have been an issue it didnt existed. Wefalck (Eberhard) mentioned riveting, which again could have been an option then. Riveting was very early used in metal work. I tend to believe cast iron was at the time a material -not cheap and not widely used- but still known and used in naval architecture and in other fields. Christos
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Just finished first side coppering.
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