Mickgee

Thank you Mr. EdT.  I'm truly amazed although I don't seek your level of expertise.
 
What I do love is to realize what is possible, this you show very well,  and this is for me a wonderful incentive to progress a step or two further with my own project.
 
Just wonderful, many thanks for showing your efforts.
 
Michael
 
PS:  Concerning the old photos with the tilted main yards, of course they were used for hauling bulk goods.  Yet another reason for heavy winches located behind masts. 

Thank you Mr. EdT.  I'm truly amazed although I don't seek your level of expertise.
 
What I do love is to realize what is possible, this you show very well,  and this is for me a wonderful incentive to progress a step or two further with my own project.
 
Just wonderful, many thanks for showing your efforts.
 
Michael
 
PS:  Concerning the old photos with the tilted main yards, of course they were used for hauling bulk goods.  Yet another reason for heavy winches located behind masts. 

Thank you Mr. EdT.  I'm truly amazed although I don't seek your level of expertise.
 
What I do love is to realize what is possible, this you show very well,  and this is for me a wonderful incentive to progress a step or two further with my own project.
 
Just wonderful, many thanks for showing your efforts.
 
Michael
 
PS:  Concerning the old photos with the tilted main yards, of course they were used for hauling bulk goods.  Yet another reason for heavy winches located behind masts. 

Bingo!
 
This pic is from flick, the deck of the Cutty Sark;
 

Here other shots of rigging running down the shrouds and ratlines;
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-the-top-deck-of-the-cutty-sark-in-greenwich-london-105044403.html
 
Case closed.
 
Michael
 
 

Hi Mike....yes, I think "higher up the masts" is a key phrase with this subject.  I've done some searching, further on now, it appears as if the running rigging from the top sails, run down the mast to the main crosstree, then they flare out to run down the inner sides of the lower shrouds, then probably tied off right there at the belaying pin banks.  This would be spot on with the ship I'm building. 
 
Otherwise, the mast area gets terribly crowded if the all of the running rigging runs all the way down the masts to the deck.  Anyway, what other reason would there be so many belaying points and racks along the gunwales, meaning directly below the ratlines?
 
I'll be rigging the ship in this manner.
 
Michael
 

Mike, now that looks professional!  Excellent.

Hi Michael;
 
Jim Lad is right.  Many ropes for the running rigging lead through blocks under the top,  then down the inside of the shrouds,  often passing through a 'shroud truck',  (I think it is called) which is a wooden tube lashed to the shrouds to contain the rope and give a fair lead to the belaying point.  For top & topgallant sails,  some of the ropes belay to a cleat which is lashed to the inside of a topmast shroud.
 
All the best,
 
Mark P

Michael,
 
Almost all of the running rigging, apart from the braces, runs down inside the shrouds/backstays or straight down the mast to pins at the foot of the mast.  Is there any particular item of rigging that interests you?
 
John

Hi Mike,
 
I visited your Niagara project and saw this link.  Cleaning dirty old ship models is a task for sure.   Every couple of years I give my fleet a bath too.  The first time I did this was after many years, afterwards I learned every three of four years is good.  All of my ships are on open shelves, between floor to ceiling bookshelves.
 
The 40+ year old plastic Cutty Sarks & Co. are not a problem, some even have cloth sails, are had become quite grungy.  Even cloth sails can get clean again, not to worry.
 
My two wooden ships get bathed as well.  The grimy dust does not blow off with compressed air, just the recent dust levels, no grunge though.
 
I spray mine with a strong household cleaner, pump spray type, let it soak a couple of minutes, and start scrubbing with different small paintbrushes.  Spray again and rinse off under a shower!  Yep.  The ship gets a big storm of water.  Blow the water off with comp. air or use a hair dryer.
 
First off, the wood on my models has been sealed in some form or another. No risk here that wood will loose color.  The sails get even a better looking patina!  Cleaner too.
 
All ship models can be easily cleaned.  Even the rigging gets rid of dirty dust bunnies. 
 
I'm not aware of current household cleaning agents currently on the US market.  Just I'd recommend a type that does not develop too much foam, as this could make for a mess in connection with a water rinsing.
 
Michael
 
 

Great looking model Mike!
 
I always liked the Niagara model, just now I see it's too intricate for me nowadays.  You've done well, be proud.
 
Michael

Hi Mike,
 
I visited your Niagara project and saw this link.  Cleaning dirty old ship models is a task for sure.   Every couple of years I give my fleet a bath too.  The first time I did this was after many years, afterwards I learned every three of four years is good.  All of my ships are on open shelves, between floor to ceiling bookshelves.
 
The 40+ year old plastic Cutty Sarks & Co. are not a problem, some even have cloth sails, are had become quite grungy.  Even cloth sails can get clean again, not to worry.
 
My two wooden ships get bathed as well.  The grimy dust does not blow off with compressed air, just the recent dust levels, no grunge though.
 
I spray mine with a strong household cleaner, pump spray type, let it soak a couple of minutes, and start scrubbing with different small paintbrushes.  Spray again and rinse off under a shower!  Yep.  The ship gets a big storm of water.  Blow the water off with comp. air or use a hair dryer.
 
First off, the wood on my models has been sealed in some form or another. No risk here that wood will loose color.  The sails get even a better looking patina!  Cleaner too.
 
All ship models can be easily cleaned.  Even the rigging gets rid of dirty dust bunnies. 
 
I'm not aware of current household cleaning agents currently on the US market.  Just I'd recommend a type that does not develop too much foam, as this could make for a mess in connection with a water rinsing.
 
Michael
 
 

Hi Mike,
 
I visited your Niagara project and saw this link.  Cleaning dirty old ship models is a task for sure.   Every couple of years I give my fleet a bath too.  The first time I did this was after many years, afterwards I learned every three of four years is good.  All of my ships are on open shelves, between floor to ceiling bookshelves.
 
The 40+ year old plastic Cutty Sarks & Co. are not a problem, some even have cloth sails, are had become quite grungy.  Even cloth sails can get clean again, not to worry.
 
My two wooden ships get bathed as well.  The grimy dust does not blow off with compressed air, just the recent dust levels, no grunge though.
 
I spray mine with a strong household cleaner, pump spray type, let it soak a couple of minutes, and start scrubbing with different small paintbrushes.  Spray again and rinse off under a shower!  Yep.  The ship gets a big storm of water.  Blow the water off with comp. air or use a hair dryer.
 
First off, the wood on my models has been sealed in some form or another. No risk here that wood will loose color.  The sails get even a better looking patina!  Cleaner too.
 
All ship models can be easily cleaned.  Even the rigging gets rid of dirty dust bunnies. 
 
I'm not aware of current household cleaning agents currently on the US market.  Just I'd recommend a type that does not develop too much foam, as this could make for a mess in connection with a water rinsing.
 
Michael
 
 

Hi Mike,
 
I visited your Niagara project and saw this link.  Cleaning dirty old ship models is a task for sure.   Every couple of years I give my fleet a bath too.  The first time I did this was after many years, afterwards I learned every three of four years is good.  All of my ships are on open shelves, between floor to ceiling bookshelves.
 
The 40+ year old plastic Cutty Sarks & Co. are not a problem, some even have cloth sails, are had become quite grungy.  Even cloth sails can get clean again, not to worry.
 
My two wooden ships get bathed as well.  The grimy dust does not blow off with compressed air, just the recent dust levels, no grunge though.
 
I spray mine with a strong household cleaner, pump spray type, let it soak a couple of minutes, and start scrubbing with different small paintbrushes.  Spray again and rinse off under a shower!  Yep.  The ship gets a big storm of water.  Blow the water off with comp. air or use a hair dryer.
 
First off, the wood on my models has been sealed in some form or another. No risk here that wood will loose color.  The sails get even a better looking patina!  Cleaner too.
 
All ship models can be easily cleaned.  Even the rigging gets rid of dirty dust bunnies. 
 
I'm not aware of current household cleaning agents currently on the US market.  Just I'd recommend a type that does not develop too much foam, as this could make for a mess in connection with a water rinsing.
 
Michael
 
 

Hi Mike,
 
I visited your Niagara project and saw this link.  Cleaning dirty old ship models is a task for sure.   Every couple of years I give my fleet a bath too.  The first time I did this was after many years, afterwards I learned every three of four years is good.  All of my ships are on open shelves, between floor to ceiling bookshelves.
 
The 40+ year old plastic Cutty Sarks & Co. are not a problem, some even have cloth sails, are had become quite grungy.  Even cloth sails can get clean again, not to worry.
 
My two wooden ships get bathed as well.  The grimy dust does not blow off with compressed air, just the recent dust levels, no grunge though.
 
I spray mine with a strong household cleaner, pump spray type, let it soak a couple of minutes, and start scrubbing with different small paintbrushes.  Spray again and rinse off under a shower!  Yep.  The ship gets a big storm of water.  Blow the water off with comp. air or use a hair dryer.
 
First off, the wood on my models has been sealed in some form or another. No risk here that wood will loose color.  The sails get even a better looking patina!  Cleaner too.
 
All ship models can be easily cleaned.  Even the rigging gets rid of dirty dust bunnies. 
 
I'm not aware of current household cleaning agents currently on the US market.  Just I'd recommend a type that does not develop too much foam, as this could make for a mess in connection with a water rinsing.
 
Michael
 
 

Great looking model Mike!
 
I always liked the Niagara model, just now I see it's too intricate for me nowadays.  You've done well, be proud.
 
Michael

Mike,
On another note, don't fret with the current hand/eye syndrome.  In my case, I call it 'age'.  I'm 66, slowly learning to 'listen' more, it'll work out.
Your good times will come tomorrow, or whenever you feel like doing some intricate procedures.
I'm with ratlines currently, and realize when the shakes set in just take a break,  soon after I can continue.
There is no rush.  False is, thinking the project will soon end!  Not good.  Keep on keeping on at your own pace and prevail.  No time limit.
You are doing just fine.
Michael
 

Hey Mike and Don, mind if I join you?  It's a little stormy outside, shooting the breeze and telling good stories sounds right to me. 
Michael

Thanks Mike, I appreciate you stepping up,  now I'll have to find out if Syren sends to Europe.
 
Your lines do look good, easily seen as you have nice sharp closeups.  I agree with you too,  not every single thing has to be absolute top notch as lots of lesser quality items and areas are only seen with a camera.
 
I'll follow your project along towards completion.
 
Greetings, Michael
 
 

Hello Mike,
 
That's a fine looking model, you've done well, I really like.
 
Question please:  The lines you show for the rigging,  I suppose these aren't those supplied with the kit.  They look a lot better than anything I've ever had.  Could you give some insight?
 
Greetings, Michael
 
 

Mike,
On another note, don't fret with the current hand/eye syndrome.  In my case, I call it 'age'.  I'm 66, slowly learning to 'listen' more, it'll work out.
Your good times will come tomorrow, or whenever you feel like doing some intricate procedures.
I'm with ratlines currently, and realize when the shakes set in just take a break,  soon after I can continue.
There is no rush.  False is, thinking the project will soon end!  Not good.  Keep on keeping on at your own pace and prevail.  No time limit.
You are doing just fine.
Michael
 

Mike,
On another note, don't fret with the current hand/eye syndrome.  In my case, I call it 'age'.  I'm 66, slowly learning to 'listen' more, it'll work out.
Your good times will come tomorrow, or whenever you feel like doing some intricate procedures.
I'm with ratlines currently, and realize when the shakes set in just take a break,  soon after I can continue.
There is no rush.  False is, thinking the project will soon end!  Not good.  Keep on keeping on at your own pace and prevail.  No time limit.
You are doing just fine.
Michael
 

Hey Mike and Don, mind if I join you?  It's a little stormy outside, shooting the breeze and telling good stories sounds right to me. 
Michael

Hey Mike and Don, mind if I join you?  It's a little stormy outside, shooting the breeze and telling good stories sounds right to me. 
Michael

Hey Mike and Don, mind if I join you?  It's a little stormy outside, shooting the breeze and telling good stories sounds right to me. 
Michael

Welcome aboard Michael!
 
I would suggest a PM here to user "Chuck". He's the site web admin and also the owner of Syren. I'd be willing to bet he ships to Europe, but I don't know what the postage would be. If you made a big order it might not be cost prohibitive.  I really wish I had kept track of all the sizes and quantities of rope I used. I do know it was a lot more than I expected. It packs pretty small.