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Rob, while it will be months of tedium for you, for guys like me it will be an illuminating experience to see how you creatively develop your progress. Realizing that ultimately practically every single line must of necessity be belayed either at the fife rails at the base of each mast or along the many mounting points along the hull, the trick is to get the innermost lines out of the way first, as they eventually will become almost inaccessible later on. Since you're starting with the mizzenmast, it appears like you're plan of attack is to begin at the stern and move forward to the bow, culminating eventually at the bowsprit. Documenting your progress at this painstaking pace should greatly benefit Vladimir and others who ultimately want to follow in your brave footsteps.- 3,560 replies
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Rob, thanks to your specific step by step updates of your rigging progress it impresses me how much of a painstaking process it is. The resulting finished product is one of the most beautiful on earth, especially when it's a massive American Clipper. Each line has it's own special purpose and it's own particular destination for usefulness. By the time you're done, the spider's web of myriad lines would be a maze of confusion to anyone unfamiliar with the unique purpose of complex rigging on sailing vessels. This part of your model build will be thrilling to follow.
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Rob, nice tight, clean work as usual. Well done!
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Vladimir, "Iron men on wooden ships"..... you're welcome by the way.
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Rob, what blows my mind is that somehow in the midst of the sea, the Captain and ship's crew managed to completely re-rig the entire vessel in 12 days!
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http://www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/News/BDA/BDA(1852-12-17)b.html Vladimir, Perhaps the most incredible feat of seamanship was displayed by Donald McKay's brother Lauchlan, easy going yet hard driving Captain of the 1852 Extreme Clipper "Sovereign of the Seas." October 12th, 1852 on her Maiden voyage the great ship under a heavy press of sail experienced an incredibly complicated dis-masting which affected all three masts. I've attached a sailor's first person account which describes in great detail their almost unbelievable act of seamanship under the capable, inspired leadership of the indomitable Captain McKay.
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https://www.jclary.com/classics-of-the-seas/flying-cloud Rob, Vladimir this link brings you to an amazing piece of art depicting Clipper 'Flying Cloud' as she actually appeared in her record breaking journey rounding Cape Horn on her maiden voyage. I read a book which made great reference to her Log and the descriptions of multiple challenges to her rig is hair raising. Back then, these circumstance were simply part of the routine.
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Rob, neither you nor Vlad have any reason to apologize to anyone about the pace of your construction progress. You're scratch building practically every single component in your museum quality builds. Personally, just like the carefully patient process we developed to rediscover the true glory in "GLORY of the SEAS" I strongly prefer a pace that is prudent and gives the very impressive results you're both creating. In this case, the time worn adage is definitely true "haste makes waste."
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Rob, beautiful work. As I said to Vlad, the recreation of these yards reveal how substantially made they really were. It makes total sense to rig from stern to fore, as this will tighten shrouds as you move forward, culminating in the bowsprit.
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Rob, I am not suggesting either you or Vlad make any changes to structures you've already painstakingly constructed. Just as an Academic conversation, I continue my observations of these confusing bilge wheels. First I want to stipulate that both flywheels are indeed mounted outside the pinrail they're located on. However, this even more sharp image clearly shows that the Port flywheel is indeed reset behind the mainmast fife rail. If you look at the rear section of the top Port rail, the front part of the Port wheel disappears behind it. Now follow the top horizontal bar to which this same flywheel mounts and appears to have line looped around a couple belaying pins and it clearly looks like it would be much closer to the inner section of the mainmast. Again, if you follow this pattern, you can easily see the "zig-zag" pattern you'd expect to see if the main bilge pumps were mounted outside of a more narrow rail. If anything, it's a fascinating conversation.
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Rob, beautiful just beautifully done consistent craftsmanship. This really looks like a miniature yardarm. I'm constantly blown away by you artisans.
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Rob, I know I'm getting a bit of a deserved "rep" about being a pain in the *** for detailed accuracy. Believe me, it's not my intention to make your lives difficult as modelers. I'm just trying to maintain fealty to historic accuracy in order to be consistent to our initial stated goal of creating the most accurate version of Glory in every detail possible. Hopefully this will continue to unveil Glory's uniqueness as a McKay Clipper. Case in point this blurry image looks like it proves what I said about the main bilge pumps having a narrower mounting rail then the main fire rail. Otherwise how would the flywheels line up with the fife rails and also be mounted outside their own rails? Besides which, just from a "workflow" viewpoint, as long as the shorter crankshaft don't interfere with pump efficiency, wouldn't it make sense to inset the pump rails, so that the flywheels don't impede on working area around them?
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Vladimir, your yardarms are an absolute thing of beauty! It's amazing how graceful and symmetric they all are. Most impressive is how they're uniformly thicker in the center and gradually narrow towards the outer ends. I can even imagine how massive these critical spars must have appeared on Glory herself. Well done!
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Vladimir, Rob I took another look at this image of Glory's main deck, with specific emphasis on her bilge pump flywheels. At first, I thought it wasn't possible to determine whether her iron spokes were straight, like the 1886 Ship "Balclutha" or "S" curved, as we discussed earlier. Sure enough, when I enlarged the image it does clearly show that Glory's bilge pump flywheels did indeed have the "S" curved iron spokes and not straight ones. They're also narrower than the mainmast fife rails, since the wheels appear to align neatly behind them. Viewed from above, the fife rails look like they're a square and the bilge pump mounting would look smaller and rectangular.
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Vladimir, apparently your improvements are so impressive it's caused Rob to lose his dentures 😉
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Vladimir, nice work! Your fore companion looks so much more accurate and in scale now. In this case, less is truly more. Painting the fore house white definitely brings out contrast nicely. She continues to build into an impressive vessel. Great work!
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Rob, Wow!.... until now I didn't know that your vast modeling skills included levitation!! How else do explain not one, or two but three beautifully crafted yards seemingly defying gravity and floating in air? Oh by the way, Happy St Valentine's Day to all my fellow modeling friends, I hope you enjoy the day with a close loved one.
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Vladimir, like Rob, you're truly more of an artisan than a modeler. Simply beautiful work. If you're planning on angling back the fore companion, might I suggest you shorten it too? According to the deck layout, this hatch way is a little shorter that the fore fife rail. It's also just a bit closer to the front of the rail than currently positioned. Being closer to the fife rail would also draw attention away from the height of the forecastle too.
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Vladimir, beautifully done detail work on the windless, capstans and fore Companionway. It's obvious you put a lot of emphasis on the specifics of the Companion. Maybe it's due to your close up pics but I have a concern about the relative size of your Companionway in comparison to other deck fittings. While her deck profile in this image should be slimmer at the Bow, her deck fittings are for the most part very accurate. If you look at upper and profile images, you'll see that Companionway is no higher than the Foremast Fife Rail, matches width and is actually a little shorter too. Actually, when it comes to deck hatches, the Fore Companionway is the smallest of all. I hope I'm wrong and it's just the excellent close ups that make your nicely detailed hatch look outsized in comparison.
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Rob, as you described the careful consideration you're giving all the painstaking weathering details of just a single tightly furled sail, it's occured to me that you're transitioning from mere model making to an artisan. You may not recognize it yourself but trust me, I see it and I have no doubt that others would do so too.
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Rob, I never tire of seeing the beautiful detailed progress of your build, no matter what the pace.
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Kevin, an initial concern I had when addressing the enormous inaccuracies of the Mjelde plans was how to not offend Michael himself, as these were illustrations published in his books. Probably my biggest thrill was how gracious, understanding and generous he actually was in sharing numerous, rare, many never seen before images of Glory herself. Our efforts in attaining a far more accurate version of McKay's final Clipper is a tribute to the selflessness of Glory's greatest living promoter, who like all of us has as his ultimate goal to replicate "GLORY of the SEAS" precisely.
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Rob, Vladimir I wouldn't trouble myself too much over period accurate capstans. Unless it states in documents, either form could have been used. As for Footropes, from the viewpoint of modeling simplicity, I think real thin black wire would be easier to create realistic loops. Unless thread is seriously waxed, it will twist and contort in odd ways.
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Rob, Vladimir, as you can see, It differs greatly in appearance from the WD Grimshaw Capstan, patented November 28th, 1865
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