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Vladimir, I'm also sure probably more than one sailor cursed that infernal device as they either banged a knee or skinned a shin on the damn thing too! 🙂 -
Vladimir nicely done! Isn't that a unique feature of Glory? It was a pleasant surprise to literally stumble on that neat little detail. I think you've captured it just about perfectly.
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Rob, there's nothing specified in any publication I can find about the angle of inclination for any of the masts. From photographic evidence, it's clear they're not verticle. I think I deferred to Mike's specs on that. There's plans which include that in his second book. I'll see if I can read and share them.
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Vladimir I particularly like this view of your Glory which demonstrates her lovely sheer and really shows how long her 70' poop deck actually was. It gets lost when the 45' rear carriage house with it's own deck railings is incorporated. If you don't mind another observation, you ended your poop railing with an awkward looking cut off. If you look carefully at the image with wrought iron end piece, you'll see if is rounded much like the channels are. Otherwise, this is absolutely beautiful work.
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Vladimir your name board is shaping up to be quite authentic. Well done!
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Rob, your channels and chain work look top notch. I think, as I'm quite sure a lot of your fellow modeling craftsmen and women will attest, you're far more advanced than you give yourself credit for. Meanwhile, when it comes to stepping your masts, I'll give you my exact calculations taken from a compilation of the specs of Glory's "backbone" laid out by Duncan MacLean. This too may be somewhat controversial as it's about 11' much higher than Mike portrayed in his crossection. But it's right in line with McKay's other large Clipper "Sovereign of the Seas" which has that depth clearly spelled out.
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Vladimir, well done on the freeing ports, that looks much more accurate. It also has the added benefit of making the entire Hull look larger, true to scale. Thanks for not biting my head off for pointing that out. Another detail which is part of Glory's poop deck railing is the curved wrought iron end piece, which adds a unique look to these poop rails.
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Vladimir, this is a time where you may not welcome my input. Maybe this falls under "rivet counting". If so, I apologize in advance. Your freeing ports look very nicely done. Unfortunately to be technically accurate to the real Ship, these would all be flush with the Hull, not sitting on it as you have done so far. They're actually cut out and hinged just like gun ports on HMS Victory, for instance. Hopefully it shouldn't be too difficult to cut out the openings to inset your ports.
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Rob, nice, cleanly installed work, as per your usually high standards.
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Pat, well said. As for Rob's exciting results, I believe they speak eloquently for themselves.
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Rob, sometimes, not always but sometimes purists can be insensitive and elitist. I am not accusing any particular individual but making a point about human nature. You may also be even minimizing your own growth over the years. I also seriously doubt any of those other craftsmen, besides possibly EdT would have the humility and patience to single mindedly pursue the meticulous recreation of a Clipper Ship purely from scratch either.
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Rob, as usual you over exaggerate your smoke and mirrors and under report your actual artisan craftsmanship. Your results demonstrate for themselves the high level of proficiency you've acquired.
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Vladimir, I need to look in more often to be able to keep up with you. Your progress is wonderful and impressive. Filling in the fancy rail must have been a pain but it looks much cleaner and more historically accurate. Your channels also look impressive and cleanly installed. The poop deck stanchions look ever so much like little soldiers, very cool.
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Rob, easy. Your going to hire your little Elves that no one knows about to do all the hard work that of course you'll take full credit for later..... 😉
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Banyan, after reading how Rob drilled all tiny holes for belaying pins after the pinrail was installed, it's my belief that he will do the same for these larger chainplate channels.
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Rob, I love the way even your channels are sculptured instead of just plain blocks. It enhances the vessel's overall elegance.
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Rob, that makes sense, is there a specific formula to determine the gore line, possibly based on length vs depth?
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George K, I like your clever approach setting up a jig & using a pizza cutter to simulate the ends of each copper tile. Your beautiful results speak for themselves. I'm curious about another nautical term that I'm unfamiliar with. It appears your yellow Tamiya tape is well below the Waterline. My guess is that it represents the "gore" line. What exactly is the significance of the gore line?
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Rob, that's my ultimate hope too, although he's right now apparently very committed to Ron Haug. More likely if anything, our collected input might steer Ron more towards the finished lines we have developed. Where I feel our efforts have been unique, besides being a true collaboration, is that for once, Michael Mejelde's lifelong collection of amazingly detailed pictures have been fully evaluated and then reconciled with actual 1869 published dimensions in order to arrive at a coherent whole. I am very proud of our results and both your vessel and Vladimir's are bearing out our research, as even Mike is impressed with the few in process images I've shared with him.
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Dowmer, thanks for the tip! I was hoping that's the case but I wasn't sure. I will contact my local Staples to get their rates.
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Vladimir I am deeply honored by that generous comment. I will see if it's possible to it scanned in order to print it out on one continuous sheet. Since it's practically 3' it will be interesting to see if such size poster prints are available. I'll let you know what I find out.
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Rob, I think that highlights your true capabilities as an artisan. Make use of all available resources to complete a project; creating particulars when necessary.
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Rob, when you can make use of well produced nautical materials to make your project easier, why not?
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Rob, Vladimir here's more particulars on this 1:96th scale (1/8" = 1') ship's line drawing of "GLORY of the SEAS". Due to the need to fold the paper for storage, there are multiple wrinkles which make the image appear inaccurate. All keel and waterlines are arrow straight, as a ruler was used to draw them. The same goes for all 3 masts which have identical angles and also have been sketched with a straightedge. Special attention has been focused on keeping all published & calculated dimensions accurate throughout "GLORY of the SEAS" dimensions as taken from publicized resources: Keel: 240'3" Length between Perpendiculars: 250' Length, Knightheads to Taffrail: 265' Sheer: 7' Yellow Metal Sheathed up to: 22' Bowsprit in board of Cap: 24' Bowsprit width: 34" Jibboom & Flying Jibboom outside Cap: 15' & 16' (5' end as per other McKay vessels) estimated width: 20" Grecian Goddess Figurehead: 90" Naval Hoods: 17 1/2' long with widest area at base: 3 1/2' Forecastle Deck: 35' Foremast Width: 40" House Abaft Foremast: 54' long × 18' wide × 8'3" high Loading Dock: 2'2" high × 3' wide, located 3' 9 1/2" below sheerline molding. Hull is 17' 4" above waterline at this point. Lowest level of Hull at sheerline, centered in mainshrouds: 17' Mainmast Width: 41" Mizzenmast Width: 32" Poop Deck length: 70' Rear Carriage House: 35' (plus 3' overhang) × 24' wide × 8' high Rear Wheelhouse estimated: 12' long × 10' wide × 8' high.
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Rob, Vladimir, here's what I consider my final rendering of the Hull of "GLORY of the SEAS". Michael Mjelde has requested I send him a copy once it's done. So once more, I ask for your feedback before it's transmitted to him (which I sincerely hope will get sent to Ron Haug to restart a conversation about his interpretation vs mine).
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