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Vladimir, for those of us who have Warehouse storage capacity, a 330' vessel 55" at 1:72nd scale makes perfect sense. -
Rob, look closely enough, you'll see those little 'wings' are on every letter except both "Os" upper & lowercase, as well as lowercase 'e.' Besides, I made no mention of making it any easier, just more accurate.. ;-)
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Rob, beautiful and to scale as well, very nicely done! To contribute towards accuracy of the name board, I've included another more clear image of the sketch done of the actual board in the video. Since I had no idea of length at the time, I rough estimated it based on an assumption that it was a foot tall. Anyhow, rough wooden formation of letters is accurate as taken from the video stills.
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Rob, this will be instructive to see!
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Another fascinating article and beautiful painting I found was from Jan 27, 1923 by the famous seaman artist Charles R Patterson who actually last saw her in service as a fully functioning sailing vessel in 1899. At the time he wrote his reminiscence, there was still serious anticipation that McKay's last Clipper would still be relocated back to Boston to be eventually restored. The larger image of the same painting was from May that same year, in tribute to the lost vessel....
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While researching why Glory couldn't be saved, I found this old photo of her from Dec 1913. Ironically it's an advertisement from the manufacturer of coarkboard that was installed to convert her into a gigantic refrigeration plant. Since I haven't yet figured out how to share pdf files, this image was taken with my phone from the document visible on my laptop.
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Rob, seems you don't realize how teenie tiny something is until you attempt to do it at scale. I don't know if this helps but here is a 1 & 3/4ths inch long x1/8th inch high "GLORY of the SEAS" nameboard. I gotta rest my eyes now.
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Rob, these are absolutely beautiful. You are setting an incredible bar for the rest of us to follow. Meanwhile, I hate to be "scale police" but at 1:96th a 14' nameboard would be 1 & 3/4th" long by 1/8" high. Tell me to not mention these things if it bothers you.
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Rob, it's been a crazy, busy work day so I haven't had time to do a decent reply. I still feel like our Bow profile isn't as aggressive above and below the waterline as the images of Glory in Seattle gives me the impression she was. I'm working on tracings of the close up of her Figurehead to compare to her Bow profile in the 1907 scene. At the San Pedro dock The bowsprit's relative shortness compared to where her figurehead ends reveals some foreshortening, since Glory isn't exactly square to the viewer for an exact broadside. It's subtle but definitely there. Another item which might affect her sheer is location of her Starboard loading Port. In Vladimir's excellent profile, this key component is still a little too close to the main mast when it's actually slightly closer to the end of the Foreshrouds. Why should this matter? Because the locked in height at that location has been established by counting strakes. It's not the lowest part of the her sheer, which is in the middle of the main shrouds. By correcting the dock's location, will that affect her profile? Finally, the crease line at the Stern looks like it's where the iron ends of her Shrouds all would mount to and is quite likely to align with the lower end of the Naval Hoods. If that's the case, it gwould make the depth 3'6". Review McKay's sketch of his twin Packets, the same thin line is there too. I realize these are "nit pickey" little details, which is why I referred to them as 5%. Then again, the devil's always in the details too, aren't they?
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Rob, after seeing your impressive "Great Republic" build, the very last word I'd use to describe your work is hack. Inventive, creative, inspired are much more appropriate to your process.
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Rob, thank you for the compliment, that was very big of you. In all fairness though, we have to give the nod to Mike who's lifetime of research has led us to this point.
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Rob, while I understand your reference to artistic license, I don't believe that's what any of us have been doing. Instead, by using multiple photos generously shared by Mike (still ongoing, I might add) and meticulously researching precise dimensions in comparison to the most accurate images we can get, we have been methodically recreating McKay's last, lost Clipper in amazing detail. You probably recognize the name Björn Landström. I draw my inspiration from his incredible marine art reconstructions of ships from contemporary artist's works. I believe that "Glory of the Seas" had a finer entrance and exit than she previously had been given credit for. Even the most recent Bow and Stern views bare that out. I'm glad that Mike is so enthusiastic with our progress. After relentlessly pursuing the most accurate recreation possible for 12 years now, I just want to make sure I don't stop short just before the finish line....
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Vladimir, You're so welcome, my friend. Rob has drawn some incredible talent to his once solo project, to the point where "theauthorsdaughter" noticed his determined progress and inspired her dad Michael Mjelde "the Big Kahuna" himself to get deeply involved in sharing his incredible treasure trove of spectacular photos. Your own computer CAD skills have made a major contribution as well. I am still doggedly determined to get Glory's true Hull form accurate. As we see more clear images of her from multiple viewpoints, including now an image of her Stern which is even sharper than bows of other contemporary sail powered vessels, I feel stronger than ever that we somehow come to a consensus on her true overall hydrodynamic appearance. We're about 95% there, it's just that elusive 5%....
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Rob, As you can see from all the well deserved accolades coming in from fellow modelers, your remarkable miniature carving efforts have been far more successful than you gave yourself credit for. Vladimir is absolutely right too. Even if it's possible to 3D print a meticulously precisely accurate miniature, it actually detracts from recognition of the artistic effort itself. One of the qualities of 17th Century miniaturists I admire most is their amazing carving abilities. For the same reason, I am constantly in awe of Doris and her incredibly lifelike sculptures is know that they're all hand carved from scratch. In conclusion, you have set a mighty high 'bar' my friend. It will be fascinating to see how others take up the challenge in their own creations, including possibly, eventually myself. By the way, to answer your question, yes I did see the photo of Glory's Bow below her nameboard. However it wasn't until after being able to freeze the image did that occur.
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I learned how to access a new feature of my phone. Voila! Screenshots of "Glory of the Seas" nameboard and the Samuel Walters oil which graces the cover of Michael Mjelde's wonderful first book that follows. This should help Vladimir and others see how this beautifully rugged device actually appeared. Of course this in no way compares to Rob's gorgeously realized miniature Athene Figurehead. Compare his work to the one at the Bow of Walter's spectacular oil painting and well, there is no comparison. I am in awe of Rob's results. Believe me after spending years trying to capture her essence, I know how complex and challenging a Figurehead she is.
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Rob, This is amazing. I bet Michael Mjelde as well as his daughter will be blown away by this little gem. Athene is not an easy figure to sculpt and when you consider that you're restricted to under an inch, I'd say your result is extraordinary! Great work! She definitely sets the tone for the rest of your vessel.
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Rob, buddy I have a sneaking suspicion that if we compared maritime libraries, we'd probably match almost entirely. I've had a first edition book of Capt'n Samuel's salty autobiography for years. What I didn't know until just recently was that although his shipyard didn't build her, she's a creation of Donald McKay all the same.
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Rob, sometings I get fanciful. Can you imagine setting up a "go fund me" site to actually build another full sized "Glory of the Seas" for real? I read where there's actually a group 'across the pond' that have a genuine proposal to build a full scale repilica of 'Cutty Sark' and sail her for real as a sail training ship.
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Rob, from what I read in Mike's books, what ultimately doomed poor Glory were two main factors. Her metal cladding hadn't been replaced, so her lower hull was exposed to the dread 'toredo worm' and consequential rot and ironically all the heaving factory processing equipment added extra expense to remove and restore her. All in all, it's just such a damn shame and a pitiful loss. Unfortunately Glory also had to be sacrificed in order to save the USS Constitution. Restorers had enough funds to save one but not both....
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Rob, some more observations from this never before seen image. Immediately I see that her catheads are contained entirely within her monkeyrail, from just above the lower moldings and from what I can see, bisect upper moldings. From best observations, the double monkeyrail moldings are about 3" each, which would make the Catheads 15" high most likely 12" wide. Regardless it's clear the caprail above the monkeyrail runs completely over the catheads. The triple moldings of her Main Bulwarks are well defined too. At the lower end, there's a smaller round molding, followed by a larger one which appears to rest on a wider shelf molding. These devices are repeated in reverse above. Knowing an interior dimension of this bulwark is 5' since exterior moldings bolt to 1' high waterways, sitting on 3" decks, it's actually 15" from 5' which would bring exterior dimension to 3'9". If these exterior moldings, not inclusive of the flat shelves, which aren't as noticeable are 31/2" each, that results in the area between moldings of 3'2". This further clarifies another struggle I've been having trying to reconcile a 5' interior wall when it's actually 3'9". Now it all makes sense and the 3'6" naval hoods will fit in much more harmoniously than they did before.
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Rob, somehow these images of poor old Glory still mainly intact but now shorn of her lovely Figurehead and smart identifying nameboards make her look so forlorn, it's painful to see. How I so wished she could have been saved for all posterity. Can you just imagine the stunning spectacle she would have presented, being docked nearby "Old Ironsides?" Alas! Old Glory, they've done you so wrong. To see your faithful service of over half a Century end as a blazing funeral pyre just to salvage your metal.....
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Rob, please express my gratitude to Mike for his generosity in continuing to share these rare and incredibly sharp images of McKay's last Clipper. Seeing this angle, it's clear her Stern is truly curvilinear. She's almost flat towards the center and rounds towards both ends. I'm also struck by how fine her rear entrance is too. It reminds me of another famous McKay designed but not built by him Clipper Packet. The Newburyport 'Wild Boat of the Atlantic' extreme Packet "Dreadnought" under capable direction of 'Bully' Captain Samuel's once covered 183 nautical miles over 52 hours sailing backwards! He accomplished this amazing feat of seamanship when it became impossible to ship a jury rigged rudder to replace the original taken away in a storm. He refused to leave the damaged vessel when a French Steamship Captain offered to take him for medical care due to a severe compound fracture of his leg. Now seeing the fine Stern run of Clipper "Glory of the Seas" it becomes more understandable how this could have been accomplished.
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Rob, it's wild how any images we get directly from Mike are so hard to get posted upright. This image, when righted reveals how slim and fine the Bow and Entrance of "Glory of the Seas" truly was. Again it reminds me that while she was referred to as a 'Medium Clipper' that was probably due to her near flat half floor for enhanced carrying capacity, still she had a lovely Hull.
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Rob, it's always exciting to hear about your time rubbing elbows with Michael Mjelde, a man who has spent literally a lifetime researching McKay's last Clipper ship and who has a treasure trove of documents. I have to admit, I miss my email conversations with Mike. I suppose it's because he's been very busy with anticipated publication of book #3. By the way, did he give any hint as to when his latest book will become available? I would love to get a personalized autographed version of his latest book. Did he mention if the Stern moldings he has drawings of include the fancy scrollwork that was originally on Glory? For that matter, do you know if he has similar sketches of her original carvings on her Naval Hoods and curved arches on her Cutwater? As for her 14' nameboard (you were very close at 13' probably the curve made it look shorter) did Mike confirm a height of 1'? It probably can't be much more, maybe 14" if the moldings are 2" apiece, since the monkeyrail height's been established as 18". As for the 2 oak leaf end carvings, if those were 2' each, that would leave 10' to fit in her name. Does that sound accurate to you? I will focus on getting the most accurate sketch of her Figurehead and nameboard and post images in the next few days. Another observation I've made is that the long flowing gown that Athene grasps in her upswept right hand is actually very tightly carved so that it takes up a relatively small area behind her. Different photographic angles make it look much wider than it really is. If Mike shares any more pics of her Figurehead, especially from straight ahead, that would be very helpful.
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Rob, 13' it is then. How about height? Do you agree that 1' high makes sense? My estimate is based on it fitting neatly in the space between upper and lower moldings, which would most likely set up the capital letters being 10" high. I will recreate the name board based on your 13' spec from oak leaf tip to tip and share it here when done. At 1:96th scale my estimate is it would be 1& 5/8ths" long × 1/8th" tall & at 1:72nds it will be 2&1/6th" long x 1/6th" tall. Feel free to revise my dimensions, if they're inaccurate.
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