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Tony Hunt that's a great catch. My bias that they wouldn't put the poor old Clipper out to sea without her precious yellow metal protection was wrong. In fact, this cruel cost cutting measure of not reapplying this crucial protection is what led to a god awful barnacle encrustation, just a few years later. Such unforgivable neglect is what ultimately led to her demise as potential restorers determined she had too much dry rot that she would never make the perilous trip back around Cape Horn to Boston, so she was lost to eternity in a funeral pyre.- 3,560 replies
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Rob, you put yourself down too much. Of all the many observations that have been directed your way, I haven't seen one derogatory comment about your rapid pace. Your results speak for themselves and they continue to be downright impressive.
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Rob, that's just gorgeous . This particular angle reminds me so much of the one which I credit giving us the breakthrough in finally recognizing Glory's genuine Clipper shape. This 1911 Seattle dockside view, which actually wasn't fully available even in Michael's first book, finally shows Glory's true razor sharp Clipper Bow. To me, this aha! moment is what allowed Vladimir to give us the incredibly accurate bulkhead kits. And Rob you're showcasing in your incredibly faithful replica, "GLORY of the SEAS" as she truly appeared. This is such exciting stuff!!!
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Michael, you're welcome and on behalf of Rob's group, I'm sure he welcomes your contributions.
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Michael, in case you haven't had the chance to see Glory's Figurehead on the real vessel, here's 3 beautiful images of her. The first 2 are ones that Michael Mjelde graciously shared with our group, from his over 60 years of researching her.
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Michael, to save you digging time in searching for Rob's earlier posts, here are the 3 images of his unpainted Grecian Goddess 'Athene' with another close up of Lloyd McCaffery's work, which to be fair, while also small is substantially larger than Rob's (possibly 8").
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Michael, as usual Rob will take all credit for the incredibly accurately detailed work that's done. Don't believe him. I have it on good authority that he's secretly contracted with teeny, tiny Elves who do all the hard labor for him! (in reality if you go back far enough he describes how he carved her from some form of dental material) he's even given Lloyd McCafferey a run for his money.
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Rob, again I echo Vladimir's sentiments. Just beautiful, clean work.
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Rob, thanks, I have to do shroud mounts, two rear skylights, fore nameboard (man are they tiny) ship's boats, tackling and some Stern quarter carvings. Then Mike wants to see it. I'm going to see if there's any way to scan it & send it to him. Before I do, I'll share the finished product here.
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Vladimir it's due to these astute, in depth observations that I keep submitting my efforts for your keen insights.
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Since it's so damnably hard to get decent, focused pics of the entire sketch, here are 2 segments roughly 17" each. To get the entire sketch, I have to stand on the bed to capture the entire 30+" image which ends up being less in focus than optimal.
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Rob, Vladimir, guys I think I finally have made enough progress on my 1:96 scale "GLORY of the SEAS" line drawing that I can share it here. It's not 100% but before I continue filling in more specifics, I wanted to get your reactions. How does this look to you?
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Rob, she's really starting to come together now. Of course, you're right about an almost 20 year newer capstan. I'll see if there's any Bow photos that may shed more light on this item.
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Vladimir I'm having a challenging time just trying to draw these cleanly, let alone recreate them in 3D. Excellent artisan craftsmanship!
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Rob, it's a nice little piece but isn't the capstan more wooden with some inlaid brass components?
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Vladimir, my response to Rob's error in thanking me for your compliment was intended to be totally a joke. It was deliberately wordy to poke fun at the silliness of it all. I doubt anybody took it seriously. By the way, I'm so glad you read and write such fluent english. I know some German but none of the Slavic languages at all.
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Rob, as my slow efforts, did I mention slow? to finally capture the true lines of "GLORY of the SEAS" in painstakingly accurate to all specific measurements we have double verified (actually I think I'm erasing more than sketching, I've redrawn her sheerline three times now) it now looks to me like the line of the Poop Deck Rail aligns equally with that of the Rear Carriage House. That house is 8' tall. Knock off 3 1/2" for being set below deck and that leaves 7' 8 1/2" to project above the Poop Deck. It is set at the height of the main bulkhead. I don't have enough time to calculate specifics but the idea is we should be able to get very close to the actual rail height.
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Vladimi are you sure you're not slipping in some work being done on an actual ship just to fill in your progress on this model? 😉 Wow the detail work is amazing. It will look even more so when you finally add the t'gallant Rail which we all now know is solid.
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Rob, there's a noble history of highly appreciated art trickery "T'Rompe L'Oyle" literally meaning "trick the eye". I actually enjoy well employed 3D fakery, such as you see in nature dioramas where it's challenging to determine where the material foreground ends and a cleverly mimicking painting begins.
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Rob, your gratitude while welcome is misdirected. You left poor Vladimir out in the cold, like a forlorn wet puppy in the rain, while sending appropriate acknowledgement of his rightly correct observations to me, who was probably slumbering at the time he replied and certainly don't deserve to steal his thunder...even as lightly as it may have clapped ;-) Having said that, Vlad of course is right, you consistently do beautiful work. Oh in the future, you might want to look for the letter "V" which is how Vlad usually finishes his sentences.
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Rob, I'm beginning to strongly suspect that at the scales you and Vlad are working at, to get some of these diminutive details you're venturing into Lloyd McCaffery territory!
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Vladimir, thanks for the kind compliment. Actually I'd love to help with the details for the Rear Carriage House, Wheel House, etc. Michael Mjelde's books contain some decent references as a starting point and then we have some nice photos to go on too. As for how to reproduce the complex Fancy Rail moldings, since they'd be so tiny, I wouldn't worry about it. I think keeping details to scale is more critical. Outsized moldings to try and capture those multiple features would mar your vessel more than help it.
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Rob, no lie, no hyperbole and most especially no exaggeration. I believe your model will one day win accolades and awards. It's that good and that faithful to her subject matter herself. I am in awe....
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Vladimir, as I told Rob, after I posted the other Artist's impression I recognized that the iron bar handle was shaped wrong. This illustration has the right configuration and I reworked the turned stanchion. Rob pointed out that the pinrail doesn't continue to the Poop deck but didn't specify when it ends. Either he knows exactly or we have to dig a little further.
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Rob, oh my God, your Grecian Goddess 'Athene' Figurehead looks simply gorgeous! When I told my wife that she's just under an inch tall she said "oh, wow!' It's also thrilling to see the graceful McKay reverse "S" curve that we discussed now realized in three dimensions. I love too the little highlights of gold which subtly emphasize the graceful folds of her gown. Now this is a worthy representative of "GLORY of the SEAS!"
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