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Thanks for explaining that to me which has made me understand the difference between Methylated spirits and ethernol. So if I purchace clear Methelated spirits without the dye, It will still have the methanol in it ,hence why it is called methelated spirits? Ethenol does seem to be more expensive so perhaps has the tax on it.
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Thanks for clearing that up and what is a very in depth insight into ethernol. Best regards Dave
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Thank you Ross
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Thanks guys. Here in the Uk we can get Ethernol at 95% but calls it denatured ethernol and not methylated spirits and is more expensive. I understand that the other 5% is Methenol but unsure if there is any difference. In the Uk we are unable to buy higher than 95% ethernol and wonder if this makes any difference when using Methylated spirit rather than 100% ethernol when mixing with shellac?
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I apologise if it apears I have hyjacked this thread in anyway but can anyone confirm that ethenol is also known as denatured alcohol or here in the uk is called ordinary methylated spirits used in camping stoves? Is this also what is used when thinning and removing shellac and also what is added to the shellac flakes ? Best regards Dave
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Thansk for the Heads up regarding French Polish Liberon. How to apply this. Cheers.
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Hi Bob and Derek I have been using sand 7 sealer for my last model with some success but thinking of giving Shellac a go. Is this the sort of thing I am looking for here in the uk https://andrewscoatings.co.uk/shop/interior-exterior-walls/wall-sealers/zinsser-bullseye-sealcoat/
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Once again I would like to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread and for some great links and references.Also for some thought provoking ideas. For anyone who happens to be in Northumberland England. Here is the link for the shop mentioned by Gary. I am definatly looking forward to paying them another visit. https://www.barterbooks.co.uk/
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Alex thank you for your thoughts which are much appreciated. I am beginning to understand where you are coming from and probably as I am at present building kits that AOTS series is probably accurate enough when I have the book at my hand. I can now always check for the books by Lees and Lavery which I now have on my shelf
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Cheers Richard and good to hear another recommendation.
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Thanks once again for your help Allan and great links to add to my collection.Best regards Dave
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I am beginning to think this is so true but as you have said that is the fun of learning. Thank you onc eagain.
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Thank you Gary for that tip. I had forgot all about the book shop you mentioned as I have only visited the shop once many years ago. I often take a visit to Alnwick for a visit to the famous Alnwick gardens so the next time I am up there I will take a look. I wonder if they have a web site with a list of books. I will take a look and post the link if they do. Once agin thank you for your input.Best regards Dave
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Thank you Jaager for your input which is greatly appreciated. As I am a complete novice in respect to building models at any time it is probably my skill level which unfortunately lets me down and is probably age related so I probably will not get any better. Now that I am actually the proud owner of a couple of the AOTS books including the HMS Diana (my next project) I have since realized that the mistakes in reality are probably not that much of a big deal for me but rather a passing interest. The mistakes that I have been referring to are that which has been mentioned occationally on this forum but again being new to this game I did not appreciate to what level the mistakes would be.Hope this makes sense. Best regards Dave.
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Thank you Shipman for your input. Unfortunately I am far from building a model without flaws and looking at the standard of builds on this forumI doubt I ever will but enjoy it all the same. I probably do more reading on the subject than I actually do any modelling but enjoy that probably just as much . I find although very frustrating I enjoy the challenge too.
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THank you for your input Wayne. I am mainly interested in the 18th centuary for the moment. My first ship and my last build was the Bounty which at the time I had little to no experience with building model ships and made lots of mistakes. I also had very few books when I first started and really struggled with the manufacturers drawings. I have already bought my next model which is the HMS Diana and own the AOTS book for this particular ship.( I managed to pick this up second had too) Although out of interest, I have looked at this more for the drawings, I have been checking with Lees for reference for the rigging but will more than likely use the AOTS book for the other stuff. However now that I have Laverys book perhaps I will use this for reference and see if there any differences to the AOTS book. I have been informed that there are some mistakes in the AOTS books so it will be interesting if I find any myself. Dave
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That sounds like something which would come in really handy, especially the section on smaller ships. Thanks again for your input Roger it is very much appreciated. Best regards Dave
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A late Christmas present to myself. I have just got what I hope is a very good deal on a second hand hard back copy of the above book. I am now the proud owner of 3 books The above together with James Lees book and John Harland so hopefully now have no need for any AOTS books as they seem to be in great demand and therefore very expensive particularly the ones of the Bounty and the Endeavour. I would be interested to hear what peoples thoughts are on my latest addition. Thank you. Best regards Dave
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Blocks and pennents for the following fitted Vangs Ensign haliyard Peak haliyard Throat haliyard Mizzen topsail brace blocks brails blocks
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Thank you BE for the link to the on line book of The Elements and Practice of Rigging and Seamanship. I have had a quick look and maybe of good use to compare the sizes with Lees book .You have also saved me a bit of money which is always a plus. Best regards Dave
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Thank you Roger for your input and very good points regarding loose blocks and anything not secured. This is something I will have to bear in mind as I continue with the rigging. I am now considering leaving off the sheets and possibly the tack as well as there will be no sail carried and I stll haven,t figured out where to secure the ends of the tackle which would normally be secured to the sail. Hope this makes sense. Thank you also for the tip on the book and might have a look out for it. Dave
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After finally working out what to do with the sheet and tack when not carrying a Gaff sail . I am also at a loss with the Brails and what to do with these in the same situation ie no sails.I can see that the Brails are used instead of Bunt lines and Leech lines and how they would work ( furling the sail) whilst carrying a Gaff sail. lee's book discribes the different Brails and shows a good diagram of foot loose sail and fancy lines , which brings to mind a common saying. 'Foot loose and fancy free, and wonder if this is where it came from? I am not sure if these type of Brail are fitted to a Lanteen sail and not a Gaff sail as fitted to the Endeavour. I am also unsure if there are any Brail blocks fitted to the mast. but to the Gaff only? I have come across a fine model that shows toggles at the ends of the brails but I thought that the brails were rove through the brail block ,wrapped around the sail, ie through the thimble on the leech and up through the otherside and rove through the oppisite brail block. If this is correct then no toggles are fitted to the Brails. The Brail ends would be attached to the ship rails and brought up tight to the Brail blocks, similar if the sails are furled. I would appreciate if the above ca be clarified and forgive my ignorance for being unable to grasp this. Thank you for all your previuos help .Best regards Dave
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Thanks guys for the quick responses. As it is mainly drawings that I am after ' A picture paints a thousand words as they say' I am very much satisfied with James Lees book especially for mast and rigging sizes and try to use this reference as much as possible. So think I will give the paperback book version of Steels a miss and possibly take a look at the online version instead .Using the resources I currently have ,including the blogs on this forum , I am finding just one or two items which appear to be interpreted in different ways. I am currently building the Endeavour but do not own the Anatomy of the the ship book so I unable to use this to see if there is any clatification. Although I understand this book maybe wrong anyway. I see there are a number of other books mentioned such as by Lever and Biddlecomb so will take a look at these too and see if there are any deals I can find. Once again thank you for your time and patience. Best regards Dave
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Hello all and a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all. I came across a paperback copy of this book and although it is second hand I thought it a reasonable price . I am already a proud owner of james Lees book 'The masting and Rigging of English ships of war' Which I have found exceptional, very informative and I am trying to follow as closely as my skills will allow. However I have found there are a few areas where it lacks diagrams and therefore clarity. So do I need another book on rigging bearing in mind I have a number of other books such as Monfeld,Pertersson and Anderson all on the subjects of Rigginng I have heard excellent reports on David Steels book but I am also unsure whether or not a paper back , second hand book is the way forward. I look forward to your comments, including your thoughts on David Steels book and how it compares to James Lees book. Best regards Dave
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Thanks again Bob and for your valued input and to further explain about two sheets being fitted to the clue . I have bought the book by John Harland called Seamanship in the age of sail so hopefully I will be able to learn a bit more about ship handling and what the different sails and tackle is used for and hopefully reading this will eventually make more sense to me. Best regards Dave
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