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Wow that looks nice Phil.  The symmetry is awesome.

Looks good Phil.  You'll only break or lose one when you make "just enough".  Griswold is doing fine work.

That is incredible!  Nicest gift one could imagine!  Great work and artistry sir!

@wmherbert  Thanks Bill.  That is another excellent consideration.  I am thinking I want to replicate the full size build process with this ship as a learning exercise and she is pretty decent size (about 23" on deck), so hopefully I won't run into any clearance issues.  But I received Mamoli's Lexington for Christmas and she is pretty small (deck length 10.5", 1/100 scale) - maybe rigging inside out will be a good approach for her.  Thanks for the option!

@Chuck Seiler Wedges and rigging it will be then!  (Thanks for the kind words!)

As far as the rigging goes the "ayes" have it @Dr PR @GrandpaPhil - Chapelle and "The Search for Speed Under Sail" are the plans to follow going forward.  Appreciate the assists as always!!

@allanyed The distinction between round and square seems a serious consideration.

I do have round masts.  Two thoughts going forward are:

1.  Are wedges sufficient friction to facilitate balanced rigging?

2.  As the model ages, if rigging were to fail alignment would likely be an additional issue for a repair if the masts were unglued. @paul ron brings a good point to make the modelers life a bit easier.

I think at this point I still like the full-scale nature of not using glue, if for no other reason than to see what will happen if I do it the way they did it. 

I mean what good Naval story from the 18th and 19th centuries didn't involve replacing a mast due to battle or storm damage?

(But glue does seem good insurance for the modeler.) 

@Dr PR My bowsprit had to much play allowing a lot of fore-aft motion and I was going to pin it, but instead adjusted the aft timbers protruding from the deck and now it holds pretty s you please.  But pinning is a great tool in the toolbox here, and I came up with a couple great ways to do that if I had to.

Thanks all for the replies so far folks.  It would be interesting to see some pics of mast wedging in models.  Apparently the 1:1 masts are wedged 360 degrees around?  Wow.  I am picturing a single wedge strategically placed to bring everything into precise alignment.

Curious, do folks glue in the masts and bowsprit or have people been successful with wedges and rigging to hold them in place??  I am new to this and getting close to fixing my bowsprit - glue seems almost like cheating.  Who does this without glue?  How is the longevity?  Any tips either way?   Thanks in advance.  (I searched in Masting using "install" and "glue masts" but didn't find much - suggesting maybe glue is the only option - did see one thread on putty to fix masts which was interesting.)

All thoughts appreciated.

A show of hands please - do you folks glue the masts and bowsprit in place or do you use wedges and let the rigging hold them in place?

Also, I prototyped my carronade styling.

Unfinished:

Finished in "Colonial" Green enamel, polished brass gun, and gold paint for the elevation nut.

And test fit aboard...

Hatches and cannonball racks are complete and installed.  Treated with a couple coats of Watco Danish Oil.  I intend to finish them with Wipe On Poly after the hull and deck layout are closer to completed.

Man Phil - that looks great!!  You are just rockin' and rollin' on this one.  Awesome work so far.  It is motivating to see your progress.

That looks awesome! Very nice work.

That free Zoom presentation for NRG members with Ian McLaughlan on "The Sloop of War" last month or so was fabulous.  Worth the cost of admission right there.  

I know I wouldn't be nearly as far without the MSW and NRG family - you guys rock.  Member if you can or want, and just continue to post and share if you can't or don't want to.

Oh yeah, and like $2 off on NRG's uber-legible "Steele's Tables" was awesome as well.

Love this corner of the internet.

Very nice, very clean  Beautiful work!!  Congratulations on getting her done and looking so fabulous!

The save by painting over looks great - much less a flag printed on a 20-21st century printer and more an authentic look with some real depth of color.  Awesome!  Looks great in the photo!!

Beautiful!

Whew - that's a lot of pins, sir.

Keep it up!!!

On the build board for my Prince de Neufchatel build.  Nice bit of bling!  Really appreciate the cool products!

Very nice!  I can just hear the seagulls and foghorns as she sails by.  Beautiful.

Taking @Dr PR 's advice, we have sorted the pin rails as pretty as you please.  Captain's choice, as it were, with more than enough pins in the correct general location to rig her.

Fore:

Aft:

Thank you all for the assist gentlemen!

@Gregory  Best advice yet!  I availed myself of @Dr PR 's thread and resolved about 3 other problems with the PdN that I had been grappling with.

@GrandpaPhil. It does look impressive with the studding sails, but I'm not sure my house is big enough - it makes for a much wider presentation!

@Dr PR Phil - your Albatros research and build are phenominal!  I learned so much, and I still need to look at your schooner rigging thread.

So I removed my aft pin rails.  The problem is...  Constructo's plans, specifically the gun spacing.  Constructo pushed all the gunports aft (but maintained a uniform spacing) relative to the Admiralty and Chapelle plans.  But what really messed things up is that Constructo's plans have the gun spacing wrong in the plan view, which messes up the pin holes relative to the guns.

I had to shift the pin holes for the slightly more aft guns.  I tried to keep the pinrails in the same locations to facilitate line alignment.

At least we have nice pin symmetry on the fore pinrails.

On 3/19/2024 at 8:23 PM, Dr PR said:

1. More belaying points is better than not enough!

To expedite things I have decided to go with the pin numbers on Constructo's plans (not confidence inspiring I admit), as indeed Constructo offers several more belaying points than Chapelle.

Sorting this stuff had fatigued my shop assistant.

I will redo the aft pinrails this weekend.  Thanks all for the guidance and education!

@GrandpaPhil That's good to know!  Was it pretty straight forward or were there issues that arose?  Your PdN is stunning, particularly for a card model.  It was from scratch as well if I recall.  Glad all you guys are following and helping me along!

Here's a pic of the guns and the aft pinrail.  I feel the spaces with no pins should have been above the gun barrels but even if the plans had been correct on gun barrel location spaces wouldn't have been far enough apart.  This is where I am tempted to just drill all the pinholes including the spaces without pins and then set the pins where I need them.

@Gregory Good call.  I am reading Phil's entire build log now.  So many lessons there (but soooo much to read!).   I will get back to you guys...

@Dr PR Thanks for the info!!  So I have been pondering the plans vs Chapelle, and I am not sure there will be clarity until I am done.

Aft Pin Rail

Chapelle: 9 pins fore, 5 aft.

Plans:  10 pins fore, 7 aft.

Fore Pin Rail

Chapelle: 4 fore, 8 mid, 3 aft.

Plans: 7 fore, 8 mid, 9 aft.

Bow Pin Rail

Chapelle:  9 pins.

Plans:  15 pins.

So at least the plans have sufficient pin holes.  But the two issues here:

1.  The plans call for more pins than Chapelle but use almost every hole in their rigging plans. 

2.  Chapelle plants this little nugget on the above referenced PLATE IV:

So what's a shipwright to do???

Also, regarding pinrails in general:

It seems like I am making custom pinrails for a specific rig.  Wouldn't more generic pinrails be more appropriate (i.e. 10 linear feet of pin holes) as rigs can change over time?  Or are pinrails generally custom to a rig?  (Asking for a friend who is going to run out of pinrail wood and the specie is hard to get.)

And don't get me started on Constructo's gun placement on the plans not being correct on the plan view, leading to gun/running rigging interference.  Sheesh.

Very nice Sir.  Very nice!!

It is amazing to see what you card folks can do.  My mind is blown!  And such an interesting/different subject too. 

Congratulations.