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Thank you for your nice comment, Denis. As you said, I am looking for something ... A way to divide and spread mistake, with idea to mask it as much as it can be done
 
So, stairs ... have to look and to be more fragile. This time I used doubled veneer
 

 
Ok, so good so far. Let them be colored
 

 
Nice
 
So, let we see them on place
 

 
Yes, yes, yes
 
And to see how it looks with chicken coops ...
 
No,no,no
 

 
Obviously I made coops for GMO turkeys, a big ones
 
....
 
Hmm
 
It seems that I will use first coops I have made

Thanks dear friend. This it what MSW is for. Learning and skill curve grows during time. And then, when you during time start collecting likes and friends-folowers who like your work, real masters between them which positive thoughts about your work mean a lot to you, and you start thinking: "ok, I am not so bad", then you ... accidently ... find works and photos from e.g. world shampionship, or have FB friends who wins value rewards on World or EU comletitions, or just dare to follow works of kings of MSW, and realise you still have to travel far. But, good point is, you always ask yourself: can I make something like that? Even simillar? 
And next turn of learning curve starts
 
As I follow your works, I noticed mentioned riseing of skills

You are pulling me legg ... that small magnificent, Nenad .......

the mast is close to being done.   seeing how other folks assemble their masts  {Kees}.....I saw a lot of good aspects ,  that normally I wouldn't do.   .........a lot of neglected detail  
 
thanks for the belated birthday wish Pat.......and yes Patrick......I had a great day yesterday     it was further emphasized by reading all the PM's and posts I got.....I have such great friends in the community,  and many of them  
 
After putting on that third strap.....I began to set up for adding the railing around the top.   silly me had put everything away,  and I had to set things right back up at my desk.  did I actually think I was going to get away that easily?   I was simply going to use CA to assemble the railing.......but in looking at the ladder,  the railing should be a piece of cake.   more practice time too    the good thing was I didn't need the board.....yea!!!!!  I don't have to reach for the back of my desk for the mouse!!!
 
I have some one rail 15 mm stanchions.....might look too open up there,  so I went for the three rail 15 mm stanchions.   the holes were pre drilled,  so I'd know how many I needed.   I still have the aft section to do.   the first part:
 

 
here's what the ladder looks like with the three straps.
 

 
I used the vise to bend the railings to do the second part of it.   it was used again to do the third part,  which has three partitions {across the front}.  it needed to be curved to follow the shape of the top.   the railing was soldered in place on the top.......I had messed it up at one point,  making an adjustment.  I wasn't going to have it happen again.
 

 

 
during this task......two of the light brackets became loose.   I tried to be extra careful.   it was at this time that my older son and his four kids came over......so work ground to a halt!   it was a nice visit.......my oldest grandson,   Chase,  stuck to me like glue.  he loves the boats.......especially the lobster boat I was very watchful that they didn't get too cozy with the table......being real poor at being child proof.   soon,  it was time to say good bye.......{they got to have ice cream and cake too}........and with that,  I got back to work.   the fourth and fifth sections were done.
 

 
it was trim and file the ends of the railing {s} at the ladder........and it was then cemented in place.   the mast was placed on deck to see how it looked.
 

 

 
.....and then the camera died.   so,  while it is being recharged.......I'll be thinking of what to do next.
 
 

It sounds logical, Denis. Or not. Everything is possible. Maybe somebody knows
 
So, back to coops ...
 
Final solution: I decided to use old ones, and to make new fronts for them. This time, considering that front panel dimensions are only 21x6 mm, all was made from 0,5 mm thick strips of thined veneer, some putty, and with additional shrinking depth of panels.
 
Also, there is no room for two rigging eyes, so I decided to put only one with outside dia 1mm. I can not make it smaller, and think there is no point at this scale. Still I think that rigging of coops will be nice detail, even with only one eye
 

 
My earlier mistake is "divided" visualy
 

 
Really, there will be a whole construction with three boats near here, mast with yard, and I don't believe anybody will see what was going on there
 
Except my MSW friends
 

they look excellent Nenad.........very well done!

It sounds logical, Denis. Or not. Everything is possible. Maybe somebody knows
 
So, back to coops ...
 
Final solution: I decided to use old ones, and to make new fronts for them. This time, considering that front panel dimensions are only 21x6 mm, all was made from 0,5 mm thick strips of thined veneer, some putty, and with additional shrinking depth of panels.
 
Also, there is no room for two rigging eyes, so I decided to put only one with outside dia 1mm. I can not make it smaller, and think there is no point at this scale. Still I think that rigging of coops will be nice detail, even with only one eye
 

 
My earlier mistake is "divided" visualy
 

 
Really, there will be a whole construction with three boats near here, mast with yard, and I don't believe anybody will see what was going on there
 
Except my MSW friends
 

more anchor work. I decided to stow one anchor outboard and the other inboard.  This wouldn't be unusual when heading out to open water or coming into a harbor.  
 
Here is the inboard anchor.  I used drawings and historic photos of the cutty and Longridge's book.

 

 

 

 
and here is the outboard anchor

 
The real one for comparison
 

 
The outboard anchor was only temporarily mounted so that I could remove it and continue rigging the ship
 
Marc

It sounds logical, Denis. Or not. Everything is possible. Maybe somebody knows
 
So, back to coops ...
 
Final solution: I decided to use old ones, and to make new fronts for them. This time, considering that front panel dimensions are only 21x6 mm, all was made from 0,5 mm thick strips of thined veneer, some putty, and with additional shrinking depth of panels.
 
Also, there is no room for two rigging eyes, so I decided to put only one with outside dia 1mm. I can not make it smaller, and think there is no point at this scale. Still I think that rigging of coops will be nice detail, even with only one eye
 

 
My earlier mistake is "divided" visualy
 

 
Really, there will be a whole construction with three boats near here, mast with yard, and I don't believe anybody will see what was going on there
 
Except my MSW friends
 

It sounds logical, Denis. Or not. Everything is possible. Maybe somebody knows
 
So, back to coops ...
 
Final solution: I decided to use old ones, and to make new fronts for them. This time, considering that front panel dimensions are only 21x6 mm, all was made from 0,5 mm thick strips of thined veneer, some putty, and with additional shrinking depth of panels.
 
Also, there is no room for two rigging eyes, so I decided to put only one with outside dia 1mm. I can not make it smaller, and think there is no point at this scale. Still I think that rigging of coops will be nice detail, even with only one eye
 

 
My earlier mistake is "divided" visualy
 

 
Really, there will be a whole construction with three boats near here, mast with yard, and I don't believe anybody will see what was going on there
 
Except my MSW friends
 

It sounds logical, Denis. Or not. Everything is possible. Maybe somebody knows
 
So, back to coops ...
 
Final solution: I decided to use old ones, and to make new fronts for them. This time, considering that front panel dimensions are only 21x6 mm, all was made from 0,5 mm thick strips of thined veneer, some putty, and with additional shrinking depth of panels.
 
Also, there is no room for two rigging eyes, so I decided to put only one with outside dia 1mm. I can not make it smaller, and think there is no point at this scale. Still I think that rigging of coops will be nice detail, even with only one eye
 

 
My earlier mistake is "divided" visualy
 

 
Really, there will be a whole construction with three boats near here, mast with yard, and I don't believe anybody will see what was going on there
 
Except my MSW friends
 

It sounds logical, Denis. Or not. Everything is possible. Maybe somebody knows
 
So, back to coops ...
 
Final solution: I decided to use old ones, and to make new fronts for them. This time, considering that front panel dimensions are only 21x6 mm, all was made from 0,5 mm thick strips of thined veneer, some putty, and with additional shrinking depth of panels.
 
Also, there is no room for two rigging eyes, so I decided to put only one with outside dia 1mm. I can not make it smaller, and think there is no point at this scale. Still I think that rigging of coops will be nice detail, even with only one eye
 

 
My earlier mistake is "divided" visualy
 

 
Really, there will be a whole construction with three boats near here, mast with yard, and I don't believe anybody will see what was going on there
 
Except my MSW friends
 

Thanks Marc. I am satisfied with ladders (almost) but not with lockers
 
 
 
Thanks Piet. My attempt to "distribute" mistake didn`t pass well. Height of aft deck is too big to keep proportions at all. So, something in the complete look just has to be sacrificed. My thoughts go in direction to keep horizontal proportion in mutual distances between ladders coops and mast, and obviously, there will be more white space above coops/lockers comparing to photos of Her aft deck ( e.g. famous pictures with Her Majesty on board). But, what to do ? It just must be done on this way.
 
 
 
Thanks Patrick for nice words
 
I saw on some CS kit models more than over sized particular details (cabins, ladders, etc etc), but I do not like this, and I will continue to try to make in scale and keep proportions as much as I can do close to actual
 
 
 
That is the question Marc !
 
Accommodation ladder is very very nice detail for model, and I was seriously considering this detail. Unfortunately, you once have to chose - sails or Accommodation ladder. I chose sails. Idea to put them somewhere still stands in my head. But - where ?
 
I ask myself often - where it stands during sailing? I agree with Jim Lad and Denis. It is very little possible that it stands ON deck beside bulwarks or deck houses. Considering there is place for spare wood for masts or yards ( C-plans) and many other stuff, and sailors had to have clear passing from side to side of deck and whole sheep. Also I do not think that this structure was located under deck during sailing. Look at it`s dimensions and proportions, and to me it not seems as LEGO - it looks as, obviously, a solid, one part issue. It could occupied significant amount of  space under deck which is more necessary for cargo. Also, davits can not reach this space, and I think it can be complicated to use yards as davits to eventually pull out Accommodation ladder from cargo space
 
So, where ? I think that on the roof between boats is just right place for usual use of boats (or) in harbor.
 
According to Wiki - CS was at dry dock from 1954. 60 long years, and it is possible that personnel who took care of Her faced with problems as "damn, what to do with this ? We always sleeping stumble by this unnecessary thing!" and in one moment in this 60 year period somebody just decided to remove it. 
 
Considering to RMG, C-plans were drawn in 1950`s by Campbell & Sons from reproductions and people’s recollections of the now lost original drawings, which mean BEFORE or near a time She was stranded. And  Accommodation ladder appears on plans, with remark that front anchor davits were also used for Accommodation ladder, which indicates that place for it may be also on a roof of fore house ?
 
But, no mention where it stands during sailing
 

 

 
Interesting is that in Conservation plans made before fire (2004), there is not any single note about Accommodation ladder. I just can not imagine that reconstruction team forgot to consider this element, and believe that probably during reconstruction period after fire, reconstruction stuff and personnel also though on mentioned way (" what to do with this ? Better nothing. Ignore")
 
Of course, there is always presented question, same with all old and long-living buildings and structures - In which period to return to make replica ?
 
That are just my thoughts 

Very nice work with fine, and, I dare to say, brave soldering with soldering points so close
 
Z-train ? A new hobby sticks it`s face ? Oh, boy, you`ll never stop. And you`ll definitely need bigger house- apartment
 
And the way to extend your day to min 72h

Thanks Marc. I am satisfied with ladders (almost) but not with lockers
 
 
 
Thanks Piet. My attempt to "distribute" mistake didn`t pass well. Height of aft deck is too big to keep proportions at all. So, something in the complete look just has to be sacrificed. My thoughts go in direction to keep horizontal proportion in mutual distances between ladders coops and mast, and obviously, there will be more white space above coops/lockers comparing to photos of Her aft deck ( e.g. famous pictures with Her Majesty on board). But, what to do ? It just must be done on this way.
 
 
 
Thanks Patrick for nice words
 
I saw on some CS kit models more than over sized particular details (cabins, ladders, etc etc), but I do not like this, and I will continue to try to make in scale and keep proportions as much as I can do close to actual
 
 
 
That is the question Marc !
 
Accommodation ladder is very very nice detail for model, and I was seriously considering this detail. Unfortunately, you once have to chose - sails or Accommodation ladder. I chose sails. Idea to put them somewhere still stands in my head. But - where ?
 
I ask myself often - where it stands during sailing? I agree with Jim Lad and Denis. It is very little possible that it stands ON deck beside bulwarks or deck houses. Considering there is place for spare wood for masts or yards ( C-plans) and many other stuff, and sailors had to have clear passing from side to side of deck and whole sheep. Also I do not think that this structure was located under deck during sailing. Look at it`s dimensions and proportions, and to me it not seems as LEGO - it looks as, obviously, a solid, one part issue. It could occupied significant amount of  space under deck which is more necessary for cargo. Also, davits can not reach this space, and I think it can be complicated to use yards as davits to eventually pull out Accommodation ladder from cargo space
 
So, where ? I think that on the roof between boats is just right place for usual use of boats (or) in harbor.
 
According to Wiki - CS was at dry dock from 1954. 60 long years, and it is possible that personnel who took care of Her faced with problems as "damn, what to do with this ? We always sleeping stumble by this unnecessary thing!" and in one moment in this 60 year period somebody just decided to remove it. 
 
Considering to RMG, C-plans were drawn in 1950`s by Campbell & Sons from reproductions and people’s recollections of the now lost original drawings, which mean BEFORE or near a time She was stranded. And  Accommodation ladder appears on plans, with remark that front anchor davits were also used for Accommodation ladder, which indicates that place for it may be also on a roof of fore house ?
 
But, no mention where it stands during sailing
 

 

 
Interesting is that in Conservation plans made before fire (2004), there is not any single note about Accommodation ladder. I just can not imagine that reconstruction team forgot to consider this element, and believe that probably during reconstruction period after fire, reconstruction stuff and personnel also though on mentioned way (" what to do with this ? Better nothing. Ignore")
 
Of course, there is always presented question, same with all old and long-living buildings and structures - In which period to return to make replica ?
 
That are just my thoughts 

Marc, I put my thoughts about in my log, answering to your post

Sail Lockers - done
 
First frames from 1x1 mm strip
 

 
Then bars from 0,5 mm thinn veneer
 

 
Painted
 
 

 
And on place
 

 
Next - stairs

It seems you are on a right track, Marc.

Marc, I put my thoughts about in my log, answering to your post

Thanks Marc. I am satisfied with ladders (almost) but not with lockers
 
 
 
Thanks Piet. My attempt to "distribute" mistake didn`t pass well. Height of aft deck is too big to keep proportions at all. So, something in the complete look just has to be sacrificed. My thoughts go in direction to keep horizontal proportion in mutual distances between ladders coops and mast, and obviously, there will be more white space above coops/lockers comparing to photos of Her aft deck ( e.g. famous pictures with Her Majesty on board). But, what to do ? It just must be done on this way.
 
 
 
Thanks Patrick for nice words
 
I saw on some CS kit models more than over sized particular details (cabins, ladders, etc etc), but I do not like this, and I will continue to try to make in scale and keep proportions as much as I can do close to actual
 
 
 
That is the question Marc !
 
Accommodation ladder is very very nice detail for model, and I was seriously considering this detail. Unfortunately, you once have to chose - sails or Accommodation ladder. I chose sails. Idea to put them somewhere still stands in my head. But - where ?
 
I ask myself often - where it stands during sailing? I agree with Jim Lad and Denis. It is very little possible that it stands ON deck beside bulwarks or deck houses. Considering there is place for spare wood for masts or yards ( C-plans) and many other stuff, and sailors had to have clear passing from side to side of deck and whole sheep. Also I do not think that this structure was located under deck during sailing. Look at it`s dimensions and proportions, and to me it not seems as LEGO - it looks as, obviously, a solid, one part issue. It could occupied significant amount of  space under deck which is more necessary for cargo. Also, davits can not reach this space, and I think it can be complicated to use yards as davits to eventually pull out Accommodation ladder from cargo space
 
So, where ? I think that on the roof between boats is just right place for usual use of boats (or) in harbor.
 
According to Wiki - CS was at dry dock from 1954. 60 long years, and it is possible that personnel who took care of Her faced with problems as "damn, what to do with this ? We always sleeping stumble by this unnecessary thing!" and in one moment in this 60 year period somebody just decided to remove it. 
 
Considering to RMG, C-plans were drawn in 1950`s by Campbell & Sons from reproductions and people’s recollections of the now lost original drawings, which mean BEFORE or near a time She was stranded. And  Accommodation ladder appears on plans, with remark that front anchor davits were also used for Accommodation ladder, which indicates that place for it may be also on a roof of fore house ?
 
But, no mention where it stands during sailing
 

 

 
Interesting is that in Conservation plans made before fire (2004), there is not any single note about Accommodation ladder. I just can not imagine that reconstruction team forgot to consider this element, and believe that probably during reconstruction period after fire, reconstruction stuff and personnel also though on mentioned way (" what to do with this ? Better nothing. Ignore")
 
Of course, there is always presented question, same with all old and long-living buildings and structures - In which period to return to make replica ?
 
That are just my thoughts 

Very nice work with fine, and, I dare to say, brave soldering with soldering points so close
 
Z-train ? A new hobby sticks it`s face ? Oh, boy, you`ll never stop. And you`ll definitely need bigger house- apartment
 
And the way to extend your day to min 72h

Thanks Marc. I am satisfied with ladders (almost) but not with lockers
 
 
 
Thanks Piet. My attempt to "distribute" mistake didn`t pass well. Height of aft deck is too big to keep proportions at all. So, something in the complete look just has to be sacrificed. My thoughts go in direction to keep horizontal proportion in mutual distances between ladders coops and mast, and obviously, there will be more white space above coops/lockers comparing to photos of Her aft deck ( e.g. famous pictures with Her Majesty on board). But, what to do ? It just must be done on this way.
 
 
 
Thanks Patrick for nice words
 
I saw on some CS kit models more than over sized particular details (cabins, ladders, etc etc), but I do not like this, and I will continue to try to make in scale and keep proportions as much as I can do close to actual
 
 
 
That is the question Marc !
 
Accommodation ladder is very very nice detail for model, and I was seriously considering this detail. Unfortunately, you once have to chose - sails or Accommodation ladder. I chose sails. Idea to put them somewhere still stands in my head. But - where ?
 
I ask myself often - where it stands during sailing? I agree with Jim Lad and Denis. It is very little possible that it stands ON deck beside bulwarks or deck houses. Considering there is place for spare wood for masts or yards ( C-plans) and many other stuff, and sailors had to have clear passing from side to side of deck and whole sheep. Also I do not think that this structure was located under deck during sailing. Look at it`s dimensions and proportions, and to me it not seems as LEGO - it looks as, obviously, a solid, one part issue. It could occupied significant amount of  space under deck which is more necessary for cargo. Also, davits can not reach this space, and I think it can be complicated to use yards as davits to eventually pull out Accommodation ladder from cargo space
 
So, where ? I think that on the roof between boats is just right place for usual use of boats (or) in harbor.
 
According to Wiki - CS was at dry dock from 1954. 60 long years, and it is possible that personnel who took care of Her faced with problems as "damn, what to do with this ? We always sleeping stumble by this unnecessary thing!" and in one moment in this 60 year period somebody just decided to remove it. 
 
Considering to RMG, C-plans were drawn in 1950`s by Campbell & Sons from reproductions and people’s recollections of the now lost original drawings, which mean BEFORE or near a time She was stranded. And  Accommodation ladder appears on plans, with remark that front anchor davits were also used for Accommodation ladder, which indicates that place for it may be also on a roof of fore house ?
 
But, no mention where it stands during sailing
 

 

 
Interesting is that in Conservation plans made before fire (2004), there is not any single note about Accommodation ladder. I just can not imagine that reconstruction team forgot to consider this element, and believe that probably during reconstruction period after fire, reconstruction stuff and personnel also though on mentioned way (" what to do with this ? Better nothing. Ignore")
 
Of course, there is always presented question, same with all old and long-living buildings and structures - In which period to return to make replica ?
 
That are just my thoughts 

It seems you are on a right track, Marc.

does anyone have a Z scale train I can borrow?

Looking good Denis.  Better not let the boss read this - you may go hungry for awihle
 
cheers
 
Pat