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Roman got a reaction from flying_dutchman2 in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
I must say that ship model building is after all a fastidious but enjoyable past time. We all have our own way of approaching and solving similar problems. I am quite sure that model makers of the 18th century were using tools that were state of the art then and along the way came another modeler who preferred to use 16th century tools. I guess that is normal in us humans. I would assume that we could all scratch build with less specialized tools but it sure is nice to be able to look in the tool box and have at your disposal a Stanley #6 or a scroll saw or the Byrnes saw or anything else that can make our life's easier. I am willing to bet that those great model builders of the 18th century would have used electric power tools had they been available at the time; but knowing what I know now from reading the comments, I must accept the reality of it all. After all, Beavers scratch build their Dams with a single tool, teeth. Thank god we are not Beavers.
Respectfully
Roman
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Roman reacted to fletch944t in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
Thanks for that Bob. This thread really has peaked my interest in the Japanese saws. It would appear that for quality saws you're looking at the $75-125 range (depending on the type of saw). Is that correct? Or am I looking in the wrong places?
When I was in the local hardware store the other day, I noticed that Irwin is marketing a Ryoba and Dozuki saw that are inexpensive (relatively speaking). I'm wondering if they're worth spending the money on just to give them a try. However, Irwin doesn't call them by their actual name. In fact, they don't even refer to them as Asian or Japanese saws.
From a lot of the comments I'm seeing on MSW, it would appear that there are more than a few luthiers who are also ship models. I find that very interesting although I'm not really surprised. Seems like a natural progression.
Fletch
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Roman reacted to flying_dutchman2 in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
Bob,
Thanks for the information. Since reading this thread I have researched Japanese saws and I am seriously thinking of getting one or two. What I see around the NET there is so much you can do with it.
Marc
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Roman reacted to Bob Blarney in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
Hmm, everybody should remember that very fine work was, and will be, done without electrically powered tools.
Here's a handtool jig that I made last summer when my arm was broken and in a cast. (I couldn't use my '59 DeWalt radial arm saw safely.) It's for cutting slots in the fingerboard of musical instruments, and it works so well that I'm thinking about making a new iteration for mitering and beveling. It's quiet, doesn't create dustclouds, and cuts precisely. I would think that if you adapted my idea, then you'd have a very fine saw for ship modeling.
http://www.mimf.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3378
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Roman reacted to mikeaidanh in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
Question !. "Can you live without a Byrnes saw" ?
Yes.
Question 2. "why would you want to"?
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Roman reacted to fletch944t in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
Well. Christmas arrived early. My Byrnes table saw was delivered yesterday evening. However, did not get to unbox and set it up till late this afternoon.
I must admit that I was a little apprehensive about spending $500+ on a small table saw. Especially, when I can get a good 10" table saw for slightly more (and eventually will). However, after using the Byrnes saw for the very first time, I'm a believer. I used it to start cutting parts for a table saw cutting sled and it is nothing short of fantastic. I now find myself thinking back over all the projects I've done over the years that I wish I'd had the Byrnes saw (projects before I got back into ship modeling).
Also, my wood from the Constitution arrived yesterday. So, after the sled is completed, the next project the Byrnes saw will see is cutting and dimensioning wood from the Constitution to construct the keel for my build. I'm actually going to need the sled to dimension the wood from the Constitution. Otherwise, I'd already be working on the keel.
Fletch
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Roman reacted to NHDave in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
Like any hobby, you don't need to start with every hand tool. To flatten the board by hand, you could start with a #5 Stanley with a couple of additional blades. There were thousands of those planes made and can be picked up very reasonably.
Dave
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Roman reacted to GLakie in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
Oh to have the room and my shop again!
Cheers
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Roman reacted to rtropp in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
regarding planer / jointer and how to live without one.
I found two interesting videos on YouTube. I was wondering what our more experienced members thought of them.
The first is how to build and use a table saw jig to flatten and edge a board.
the next one show how to flatten and dimension rough boards by hand. It looks pretty straight forward but I suspect the tools would cost almost as much as a planer/jointer.
Richard
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Roman reacted to DocBlake in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
Fletch: Turnaround time was about three weeks from the day I ordered the saw until the day of delivery. You'll have a merry Christmas!
Dave
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Roman reacted to shihawk in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
Now you guys really have me confused , Can i do the same on a good band saw as i can on a table saw plus a bit more ????? Is a table saw the best for ripping fine strips or can this also be done easily on a band saw ,fine meaning 0.5mm ???
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Roman got a reaction from mtaylor in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
Marc, you used a word that is key to using all tools. Understand! while participating in this blog I realize that there are many modelers out there who do not have full size tools nor are they required to do the job, many are not even interested in them. Understanding the capabilities and the limitations of all tools is essential, be it powered or hand. I do not know any more than the next guy about tools but since I owned a shop with two dozen plus employees I had to be on a constant vigil so no one got hurt, and no one ever did. I am certainly not going to feed 3mm x 1.5mm strips thru a jointer of any kind even the little Proxxon, but I am in the interest of time going to feed 2"x6"x24" thru my Jointer once all the safety precautions have been taken. This is one of the reasons that make Byrnes tools so good. They are scaled for scale down work. Make no mistakes, all tools are dangerous including hand tools. They should be understood and respected but not feared. Have fun with them. After all most of the fun of ship modeling is the journey.
Roman
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Roman got a reaction from mtaylor in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
Don't be confused, all of this is food for thought. If all you want to do is cut strips from s4s (surfaced four sides) stock the table saw is the easiest to do that task with. If you are buying rough lumber, then you will need a tool to surface the stock. Please don't let any of this make you think that you need a warehouse full of tools to do ship modeling. As Dave mentioned before a well fettled hand plane and patience will take you there.
As an example, in my situation I like working with Loquat (Japanese Plum). This wood is very common in Tampa where I live but not commercially available so I have to keep an eye out for fallen limbs or cut trees to harvest. In other words I am working with trunk or limbs 4" to 12" diameter initially. These will have to be cut into manageable 2"x6"x24" from a log once dry. This task is not suitable for a table saw but easily handled by a bandsaw or a handsaw if you so desire; from this point you still have to plane two surfaces one to lay flat on the table saw and the other to run along the saw fence in order to get somewhat accurate strips.
Roman
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Roman got a reaction from mtaylor in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
Obviously I can't speak for the man but I visited Jim at his shop a few months ago and he is very busy producing the four machines he offers along with the many accessories not to mention the myriad of projects he has at hand, so you never know. For those that are not familiar with him he is as you would expect an excellent ship model maker if he does not mind me saying so. In my book he is a renaissance man. Every time I have come out to see him, he has always been very gracious and accommodating. I don't know but when I visit his shop, it is a pilgrimage for me. God knows send him your requests.
Roman
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Roman reacted to dgbot in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
And a surprise trip to the ER can get expensive. Ben there done that.
David B
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Roman reacted to Nirvana in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
An anti-cut glove for USD 20-50 is certainly a very cheap insurance, versus all the other issues that otherwise can happen.
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Roman got a reaction from gjdale in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
Marc, you used a word that is key to using all tools. Understand! while participating in this blog I realize that there are many modelers out there who do not have full size tools nor are they required to do the job, many are not even interested in them. Understanding the capabilities and the limitations of all tools is essential, be it powered or hand. I do not know any more than the next guy about tools but since I owned a shop with two dozen plus employees I had to be on a constant vigil so no one got hurt, and no one ever did. I am certainly not going to feed 3mm x 1.5mm strips thru a jointer of any kind even the little Proxxon, but I am in the interest of time going to feed 2"x6"x24" thru my Jointer once all the safety precautions have been taken. This is one of the reasons that make Byrnes tools so good. They are scaled for scale down work. Make no mistakes, all tools are dangerous including hand tools. They should be understood and respected but not feared. Have fun with them. After all most of the fun of ship modeling is the journey.
Roman
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Roman got a reaction from GLakie in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
Marc, you used a word that is key to using all tools. Understand! while participating in this blog I realize that there are many modelers out there who do not have full size tools nor are they required to do the job, many are not even interested in them. Understanding the capabilities and the limitations of all tools is essential, be it powered or hand. I do not know any more than the next guy about tools but since I owned a shop with two dozen plus employees I had to be on a constant vigil so no one got hurt, and no one ever did. I am certainly not going to feed 3mm x 1.5mm strips thru a jointer of any kind even the little Proxxon, but I am in the interest of time going to feed 2"x6"x24" thru my Jointer once all the safety precautions have been taken. This is one of the reasons that make Byrnes tools so good. They are scaled for scale down work. Make no mistakes, all tools are dangerous including hand tools. They should be understood and respected but not feared. Have fun with them. After all most of the fun of ship modeling is the journey.
Roman
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Roman got a reaction from flying_dutchman2 in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
Marc, you used a word that is key to using all tools. Understand! while participating in this blog I realize that there are many modelers out there who do not have full size tools nor are they required to do the job, many are not even interested in them. Understanding the capabilities and the limitations of all tools is essential, be it powered or hand. I do not know any more than the next guy about tools but since I owned a shop with two dozen plus employees I had to be on a constant vigil so no one got hurt, and no one ever did. I am certainly not going to feed 3mm x 1.5mm strips thru a jointer of any kind even the little Proxxon, but I am in the interest of time going to feed 2"x6"x24" thru my Jointer once all the safety precautions have been taken. This is one of the reasons that make Byrnes tools so good. They are scaled for scale down work. Make no mistakes, all tools are dangerous including hand tools. They should be understood and respected but not feared. Have fun with them. After all most of the fun of ship modeling is the journey.
Roman
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Roman reacted to dgbot in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
I new a guy who was doing some handwork on a cabinet he was working on. He was using a low angle plane for some finishing on the ends and was having too much trouble getting it to go through. I found out that he was trying to hog the material out instead of shaving it a big no no. Needless to say he put his left hand on the wood and shoved the plane went through the wood and into his left hand. A photo would have turned your stomach. It went to the bone and road it deep into the palm of his hand. After cleaning and applying a pressure bandage I got him to the emergency room. He went through muscles and tendons. And to this day he has limited use of his hand. It could have been worse. This took place about 15 years ago. That was when I really started treating hand tools with a great deal of respect including utility knives and xactos. Please always be careful when you use any edged tool.
My anti-cut gloves have already saved me a few visits plus being alert and aware of what you are doing.
David B
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Roman got a reaction from shihawk in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
Don't be confused, all of this is food for thought. If all you want to do is cut strips from s4s (surfaced four sides) stock the table saw is the easiest to do that task with. If you are buying rough lumber, then you will need a tool to surface the stock. Please don't let any of this make you think that you need a warehouse full of tools to do ship modeling. As Dave mentioned before a well fettled hand plane and patience will take you there.
As an example, in my situation I like working with Loquat (Japanese Plum). This wood is very common in Tampa where I live but not commercially available so I have to keep an eye out for fallen limbs or cut trees to harvest. In other words I am working with trunk or limbs 4" to 12" diameter initially. These will have to be cut into manageable 2"x6"x24" from a log once dry. This task is not suitable for a table saw but easily handled by a bandsaw or a handsaw if you so desire; from this point you still have to plane two surfaces one to lay flat on the table saw and the other to run along the saw fence in order to get somewhat accurate strips.
Roman
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Roman reacted to flying_dutchman2 in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
Again, Thank you for this explanation. You are very knowledgeable on this subject. I know I will post more questions on this thread.
Last paragraph. I have used a Scroll saw for about 4 years and I have done so much with it. I improvised on creating fences to get a straight cut. It works but have bin thinking and looking at band saws. I also need to research a milling machine. Need to understand all it can do.
Marc
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Roman reacted to flying_dutchman2 in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
Now that is delicious fruit as well.
Yesterday it was dry and cold (I do all this work outside as it gets rather dusty in the garage, even if the shop vac is attached to the tool) I followed your advice from sanding the edges of the scroll saw blade and it works like a charm. Did some fret work and purposely designed some tight corners and it came out clean. Thank You.
Still researching a band saw and a table saw.
This is what I want to do. Make straight cuts. Which is where both tools are good for but with a band saw you can do curves as well.
I don't rip wood, I buy "ready made" and I have numerous sources for that and eBay is a great place to get that as well.
I saw that rope making machine up close at one of our club meets and it does the job. Then I see Chuck at the conference using an off the shelf drill and does a great job as well. I purchase all my rigging material from him. Best choice I made.
Marc
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Roman reacted to flying_dutchman2 in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
Yes, he does. At the NRG Conference in St. Louis he showed a proto type of one of those little tables that has a small sanding band sticking out. (I can google it, but I am lazy). He will probably sell the table and you can hook up your Dremel with a sanding bands attached in the vertical position. Only the newer Dremel Tools will work. My 10 yr old one will not.
His tools are made of quality materials, does what you want it to do and aesthetically pleasing to the eye. No short cuts to make the tool.
Marc
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Roman got a reaction from flying_dutchman2 in Can i live without a BYRNES TABLE SAW
Don't be confused, all of this is food for thought. If all you want to do is cut strips from s4s (surfaced four sides) stock the table saw is the easiest to do that task with. If you are buying rough lumber, then you will need a tool to surface the stock. Please don't let any of this make you think that you need a warehouse full of tools to do ship modeling. As Dave mentioned before a well fettled hand plane and patience will take you there.
As an example, in my situation I like working with Loquat (Japanese Plum). This wood is very common in Tampa where I live but not commercially available so I have to keep an eye out for fallen limbs or cut trees to harvest. In other words I am working with trunk or limbs 4" to 12" diameter initially. These will have to be cut into manageable 2"x6"x24" from a log once dry. This task is not suitable for a table saw but easily handled by a bandsaw or a handsaw if you so desire; from this point you still have to plane two surfaces one to lay flat on the table saw and the other to run along the saw fence in order to get somewhat accurate strips.
Roman
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