Chidokan

I think I have worked out how to add pictures at last! These are a sample of the figures I am using. I will paint them up first, remove the bases and add wire through the legs in order to avoid spoiling the decks. What I did not realise is that there were laws on colours people were allowed to wear, depending on status, which limits the pallette a little. I am glad I bought an 'admiral/captain' figure to put on the top deck!
Next to do are some random objects like buckets, as I know if I start the hull I will forget about making this stuff until its too late to add it in...cross section starts at 8 and goes to 5,(scan below is from the book mentioned in the previous note) and works out around six inches long. The demi-cannon I have just started gives a rough idea of scale on the 10mm cutting mat. Barrel is from an arrow shaft I broke last week...I will be carving it down shortly.
 

I have been chatting with John (tarbrush) about whether or not to do a scratch build log of the Mary Rose, which I fancied doing as a cross section.... so here goes... my first attempt at a blog.
 
A bit of background first. I saw MR towed in to dock after she was raised, and have been fascinated ever since. We get random tv programmes about how they found it etc, but what finally got me going was a volume on the MR weapons I found at Leeds armouries...'weapons of warre' which was closely followed by buying 'Mary Rose, Your Noblest Shippe'... (best £50 I ever spent on a ship book!) This has 15 sheets of 1:100 scale drawings as part of the volume along with numerous scaled illustrations... if anything I now have too much information...
 
I wanted to crew the model but struggled for anyone other than Henry 8th at first... since then I have found some border reivers (40mm tall, Perry miniatures) but finally hit on some nice 28mm figures from the assaultgroup.co.uk, which also includes gun crews. They have fixed the scale. (plastic, but you cant have everything! )
 I have just finished scaling up the plans from the book, deciding to go from just behind the forecastle to around the midway point. That area gives me an accurate piece to work on without making up/inventing the bits of ship they haven't found yet...
 
Once I work out how to size photos on here I will post up the keel etc. I don't get a lot of time to spend on model builds, so this is going to be a loooong blog time!
 

its been a while since I posted on this.... since then all cannon are complete and most of the hull has been planked up to the potential extra decks....
I have calculated adding the next decks and put in a couple of ribs to see what it might look like... and it doesn't look too bad I have stuck to the plans for the mast heights, and they look right compared to the Anthony roll.
 
I was hoping the MR museum would have raised more from the seabed by now, hence the delay, but they just don't have the cash to do so... So more pics shortly on progress, and I think I will just crack on with the extra decks.

its been a while since I posted on this.... since then all cannon are complete and most of the hull has been planked up to the potential extra decks....
I have calculated adding the next decks and put in a couple of ribs to see what it might look like... and it doesn't look too bad I have stuck to the plans for the mast heights, and they look right compared to the Anthony roll.
 
I was hoping the MR museum would have raised more from the seabed by now, hence the delay, but they just don't have the cash to do so... So more pics shortly on progress, and I think I will just crack on with the extra decks.

its been a while since I posted on this.... since then all cannon are complete and most of the hull has been planked up to the potential extra decks....
I have calculated adding the next decks and put in a couple of ribs to see what it might look like... and it doesn't look too bad I have stuck to the plans for the mast heights, and they look right compared to the Anthony roll.
 
I was hoping the MR museum would have raised more from the seabed by now, hence the delay, but they just don't have the cash to do so... So more pics shortly on progress, and I think I will just crack on with the extra decks.

I am stuck on the mary rose as well.... so went to the museum to look and see if I could find any holes near the ship gunports that would suggest an attachment for ,say, a pulley system. Nothing obvious from the viewing gallery even when I zoomed in with the camera.... The guns however show a big variation of 'missing stuff' where there's holes in the carriages, so obviously had some ironwork to stop the guns flying around when in a rough sea, and perhaps also for running in and out.
What was also interesting was the damage behind the cartridge area on breech loaders, see the photo... some were just damaged, some had obviously had a metal plate to prevent the wedge damaging the main carriage.

The anatomy of the MR  books suggest a ring on each side with rope being fixed directly to the deck and not adjustable. This would be ok for breech loaders, but I am still bothered about opening and closing the ports, as surely you would want the muzzle outside so the hull isn't filled with smoke? I have added some rings on my model (above) in the position of the holes I saw, and think I will be doing a simple pulley system each side. Plenty of other pulleys on the ship, so it would be 'in period' to think they would want to adjust the position of cannon, and pulleys would make it quite easy compared to brute force manpower only...

for Napoleonic figures, try a firm called Historex…  parts are capable of mixing up and its quite easy to knock up a ships captain with not a lot of work...
WW2 you can get Italeri crew for German, USA and British navy. Masterbox and others do mechanics etc that would convert nicely if you wanted to do a port scene...
 
I managed to get some figures for my Victory x-section cannon crew in 1/96 from a wargames figure supplier, close enough in 15mm. I just wish the manufacturers would stick to a set scale, as otherwise its not a viable  commercial venture to produce figures for many periods in so many different scales!

I am stuck on the mary rose as well.... so went to the museum to look and see if I could find any holes near the ship gunports that would suggest an attachment for ,say, a pulley system. Nothing obvious from the viewing gallery even when I zoomed in with the camera.... The guns however show a big variation of 'missing stuff' where there's holes in the carriages, so obviously had some ironwork to stop the guns flying around when in a rough sea, and perhaps also for running in and out.
What was also interesting was the damage behind the cartridge area on breech loaders, see the photo... some were just damaged, some had obviously had a metal plate to prevent the wedge damaging the main carriage.

The anatomy of the MR  books suggest a ring on each side with rope being fixed directly to the deck and not adjustable. This would be ok for breech loaders, but I am still bothered about opening and closing the ports, as surely you would want the muzzle outside so the hull isn't filled with smoke? I have added some rings on my model (above) in the position of the holes I saw, and think I will be doing a simple pulley system each side. Plenty of other pulleys on the ship, so it would be 'in period' to think they would want to adjust the position of cannon, and pulleys would make it quite easy compared to brute force manpower only...

Found some suitable wheels on a 15mm scale cannon model. Now modified down to eight spokes, so have a nice variety of cannon to match what was found. Next is lower hull outer planking, while I play around with the castle decks....😀

first layer of planks fitted up to the main deck.. I started to plank the deck and add the stairs to realise one of the bulkheads stops the stairs fitting, so managed to get a drill down to clear out the offending wood...
A visit to the museum last week straight after a tour of the Victory showed the planking was... waney edged.... no straight lines on any deck plank, unlike Victory! Trenails were random, almost as though they were only used when needed. The same applied to the guns on show, no two carriages alike! However I did spot some holes where the metal had gone, which suggested ropework to secure them, as well as  a missing plate where no doubt wood had worn away when fitting a wedge to secure the breech to stop gasses escaping.
The hard part will be making a few spoked wheels in 10mm diameter, so far my attempts have been miserable failures, so if anyone knows of a source of eight spoked wheels, help! The solid wheels in kit are plywood, and have a dark centre, so have decided to replace as per the iron gun model below. The brass gun carriages have no clamps or holes above the trunnions, just deep cuts, although there are holes just below... no cross beam there, so perhaps they were roped down like the iron cannon??? who knows...maybe the deep cuts were enough...
 
I noted the kit has open framed fighting tops, however the existing one is fully planked, so will do them all like this when building the masts. The bell is not supplied in kit, but I want to add one. One thing not mentioned is a steering method, the rudder is there, but no ships wheel etc. Presumably this would have been on the main deck near to the bell?
 
Now starting to produce framework for the upper castle decks, and realise if I do this, the masts will look short... and I have already cut the lower sections to make deck hole locations... need a trip to the model shop....

Fortunately spotted this before planking, bulkhead 11 has its slot mixing up with the mast slot, and I didn't think the mast would be very stable, so added a filler block. Plan sheet 2 suggests a cross member for what is currently the top rear deck, but no parts or listed in the guide. This may be because there is a hatch and ladder close by and it may be in view, but as I intend to add more decks, I have made up one to help stabilise it. Might keep the hatch and ladder there and make another couple to come down from the other decks.

hopefully I will be able to get dimensions on this, photos in the article suggest about 3 feet long by about 18 inches. I will be bashing the forecastle as I prefer the Anthony version to the one in the kit, although that is supposed to be exaggerated by an extra deck...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/19/the-real-rose-mary-rose-ship-emblem-discovered-500-years-on/
 
There is also a suggestion that the ship may be longer than thought... hopefully not as I don't fancy trying to lengthen the kit!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/3552860.stm
 
One thing is not obvious from my sources though, which is how the guns are secured.... presumably tied to the hull or they would be rolling all over the place in a heavy sea! I was thinking the breech loaders could be permanently placed as you wouldn't worry about needing a recoil to help sponge out the barrels and reload, just change the breech and clean it later in port...

hi all, this will be my first ship log, so be gentle with me! The reason for the build is a fascination with the ship, which I saw raised from a long distance many years ago and was better to see on tv that evening!
 
Opening the kit, I found an error in packing, two of one sheet and a missing one, (easily done I guess) a quick call to Jotika and Stockton Modeller got me the sheet on the way, excellent customer service gentlemen, despite the kit being five years old apparently!
 
I am building to the volumes published by the trust, and using the Anthony roll etc as further references. Off to Portsmouth for a visit to double check on some of the gun carriages and take a look at the recently raised 'tudor rose' figurehead. Hopefully the kit will not need too much modifying to match the archaeology.
 
One thing I noted during a dry run on the bulkheads and lower deck guns is that the stern ones are angled and appear to go through the rear bulkhead... need to take a look at this before the glue goes on!
 
Forty gun barrels in the kit, the Anthony roll lists seventy guns, so will need to work out if the 'missing' ones are just handguns of some description...or were on the top deck and helped sink the ship! This weekend I will start on the frame and get some photos up... will need some fine wire to add the lifting rings to the barrel, photo shows original parts and (nearly finished) smaller iron gun. The carriage parts have a rounded end, so squared them off and added a profile to the bottom of the carriage as per the book..
 

Fortunately spotted this before planking, bulkhead 11 has its slot mixing up with the mast slot, and I didn't think the mast would be very stable, so added a filler block. Plan sheet 2 suggests a cross member for what is currently the top rear deck, but no parts or listed in the guide. This may be because there is a hatch and ladder close by and it may be in view, but as I intend to add more decks, I have made up one to help stabilise it. Might keep the hatch and ladder there and make another couple to come down from the other decks.

first layer of planks fitted up to the main deck.. I started to plank the deck and add the stairs to realise one of the bulkheads stops the stairs fitting, so managed to get a drill down to clear out the offending wood...
A visit to the museum last week straight after a tour of the Victory showed the planking was... waney edged.... no straight lines on any deck plank, unlike Victory! Trenails were random, almost as though they were only used when needed. The same applied to the guns on show, no two carriages alike! However I did spot some holes where the metal had gone, which suggested ropework to secure them, as well as  a missing plate where no doubt wood had worn away when fitting a wedge to secure the breech to stop gasses escaping.
The hard part will be making a few spoked wheels in 10mm diameter, so far my attempts have been miserable failures, so if anyone knows of a source of eight spoked wheels, help! The solid wheels in kit are plywood, and have a dark centre, so have decided to replace as per the iron gun model below. The brass gun carriages have no clamps or holes above the trunnions, just deep cuts, although there are holes just below... no cross beam there, so perhaps they were roped down like the iron cannon??? who knows...maybe the deep cuts were enough...
 
I noted the kit has open framed fighting tops, however the existing one is fully planked, so will do them all like this when building the masts. The bell is not supplied in kit, but I want to add one. One thing not mentioned is a steering method, the rudder is there, but no ships wheel etc. Presumably this would have been on the main deck near to the bell?
 
Now starting to produce framework for the upper castle decks, and realise if I do this, the masts will look short... and I have already cut the lower sections to make deck hole locations... need a trip to the model shop....

Found some suitable wheels on a 15mm scale cannon model. Now modified down to eight spokes, so have a nice variety of cannon to match what was found. Next is lower hull outer planking, while I play around with the castle decks....😀

build log started... the new museum is brilliant, worth a trip as its all dry, with the ship on one side and what was found in each area more or less opposite, nice cabin representations of the carpenter and purser from memory ( which is why I am going again...)

I am in Portsmouth as of 19th May, so will be at the museum to check up on gun carriages etc... if you want any info whilst I am there give me a shout on here..
 
Before I start my build log, I spotted a double sheet of ply for one deck and the rear deck sheet missing... I would like to thank both Jotika and Stockton modeller for an extremely fast response to get me the missing sheet. Can't beat a good customer service!
 
I have started building a cannon or two to stave off the boredom, and got the frames dry fitted together until the last sheet arrives. the rear gun support seems to direct the false cannon barrel through the rear bulkhead, need to take a look at that..
 

I have the kit and a lot of the reference books and was hoping that the forecastle would be raised before I started... having waited far too long for that, I will be joining you in making a start!

Found some suitable wheels on a 15mm scale cannon model. Now modified down to eight spokes, so have a nice variety of cannon to match what was found. Next is lower hull outer planking, while I play around with the castle decks....😀

build log started... the new museum is brilliant, worth a trip as its all dry, with the ship on one side and what was found in each area more or less opposite, nice cabin representations of the carpenter and purser from memory ( which is why I am going again...)

I am in Portsmouth as of 19th May, so will be at the museum to check up on gun carriages etc... if you want any info whilst I am there give me a shout on here..
 
Before I start my build log, I spotted a double sheet of ply for one deck and the rear deck sheet missing... I would like to thank both Jotika and Stockton modeller for an extremely fast response to get me the missing sheet. Can't beat a good customer service!
 
I have started building a cannon or two to stave off the boredom, and got the frames dry fitted together until the last sheet arrives. the rear gun support seems to direct the false cannon barrel through the rear bulkhead, need to take a look at that..
 

build log started... the new museum is brilliant, worth a trip as its all dry, with the ship on one side and what was found in each area more or less opposite, nice cabin representations of the carpenter and purser from memory ( which is why I am going again...)

I am in Portsmouth as of 19th May, so will be at the museum to check up on gun carriages etc... if you want any info whilst I am there give me a shout on here..
 
Before I start my build log, I spotted a double sheet of ply for one deck and the rear deck sheet missing... I would like to thank both Jotika and Stockton modeller for an extremely fast response to get me the missing sheet. Can't beat a good customer service!
 
I have started building a cannon or two to stave off the boredom, and got the frames dry fitted together until the last sheet arrives. the rear gun support seems to direct the false cannon barrel through the rear bulkhead, need to take a look at that..
 

I have the kit and a lot of the reference books and was hoping that the forecastle would be raised before I started... having waited far too long for that, I will be joining you in making a start!