Major

Morning Hamilton .

Yeah, quarterdeck will need a lot of sanding yet. I considered building it without parts that were marked as optional, but later I thouht it'll be easier to sand down excess rather than build up lack of wood .  But I must say that sanding plywood isn't the task I like the most - hard or medium balsa is my choice .


That is a good Idea with satin finish. I must admit, I didn't really think about it, but what you say about glass + gloss coat makes a lot of sense.

My paints are just surprising me... I started to play with models many years ago and I remember from modelling group we had in school that Humbrols
were much, much better than now, same as beer and some other alcohols (but I remember that NOT from school ). In some cases black undercot solves the problem, but can't really use it everywhere, especially that I don't have an airbrush.

Here is the picture in a daylight



I think I will apply final coat of wash and that would be it. Since I have some time before work yet, I will try and paint some metal castings and will leave fitting them for after work relax .

All the best
Tom

Hamilton - your posts here are very helpful and informative, and once again I thank you for your input - it's appreciated a lot!

I have been working on Hannah everyday since I got the glue, but as I expected, progress slowed down to almost standstill. As much as I enjoy it, I don't like painting after work - can't really see details and usually I find some bits that need touch up.

Here is the picture



Before anyone will be getting ready to keel haul me - let me just say that everything is dry fitted! I swear !!

As you can see, hull has been shaped somehow and for my first model I am happy with that. I also painted it with Ogryn Flesh wash - it's one of paints I used to paint my miniatures. I applied two coats, but think one more will do no harm - and after that will also apply a layer of gloss varnish.

I did some research but couldn't find any info on full size Hannah, except for what is on Wiki. And since everybody has white Hannah, I wanted to do something different .

I also think that decks will remain as they are now - for some reason mt paints don't cover it at all when I try to put thin layer on, so to avoid loosing details, I decided to leave them alone .

I also painted some hatches and one anchor, but I did it now, so most probably will have to do it again in daylight.

Keel and masts will also remain unpained I think - will polish them, a bit, but again - don't want to make my ship look like one blob of paint.

Quarter deck is still unshaped and not washed, but it will be prepared.

I think that's all for now, next update in a day or two .

Regards
Tom

Hi Tom:
 
No problem, of course - it's nice to follow a log so close on to a model I'm building, and glad to be of assistance. 
 
A couple of notes. My quarterdeck needed A LOT of reducing in size. It ended up being quite thin top to bottom, with a slighter angle aft. Looks like you've got more sanding ahead of you there!
 
As for the paint - I think your hull looks good, though it would be nice to see it in daylight. Just my opinion, but I would avoid a gloss finish. Satin would be my choice. I think that the glass will give the hull a glossy shimmer without applying the extra coat of gloss finish....again, just my opinion.
 
I think I mentioned before, I use artist acrylic paints (by Golden) - don't know if they're available in the UK, but something equivalent must be - you should be able to pick something decent up at any artist supply shop. I like them much better than other modelling paints I've tried because they hold the pigment extremely well over time and do not separate. They go on very smooth and require fewer coats to get something that looks clean. The trade off is that they're a little pricey (small bottles ranging from $8-12 CDN - roughly 4-6 pounds) and they do not come in the variety of colours that model paints do....
 
Anyway, enjoying your build - you'll catch up to me very quickly at this rate!
hamilton

Hamilton - your posts here are very helpful and informative, and once again I thank you for your input - it's appreciated a lot!

I have been working on Hannah everyday since I got the glue, but as I expected, progress slowed down to almost standstill. As much as I enjoy it, I don't like painting after work - can't really see details and usually I find some bits that need touch up.

Here is the picture



Before anyone will be getting ready to keel haul me - let me just say that everything is dry fitted! I swear !!

As you can see, hull has been shaped somehow and for my first model I am happy with that. I also painted it with Ogryn Flesh wash - it's one of paints I used to paint my miniatures. I applied two coats, but think one more will do no harm - and after that will also apply a layer of gloss varnish.

I did some research but couldn't find any info on full size Hannah, except for what is on Wiki. And since everybody has white Hannah, I wanted to do something different .

I also think that decks will remain as they are now - for some reason mt paints don't cover it at all when I try to put thin layer on, so to avoid loosing details, I decided to leave them alone .

I also painted some hatches and one anchor, but I did it now, so most probably will have to do it again in daylight.

Keel and masts will also remain unpained I think - will polish them, a bit, but again - don't want to make my ship look like one blob of paint.

Quarter deck is still unshaped and not washed, but it will be prepared.

I think that's all for now, next update in a day or two .

Regards
Tom

Hamilton - your posts here are very helpful and informative, and once again I thank you for your input - it's appreciated a lot!

I have been working on Hannah everyday since I got the glue, but as I expected, progress slowed down to almost standstill. As much as I enjoy it, I don't like painting after work - can't really see details and usually I find some bits that need touch up.

Here is the picture



Before anyone will be getting ready to keel haul me - let me just say that everything is dry fitted! I swear !!

As you can see, hull has been shaped somehow and for my first model I am happy with that. I also painted it with Ogryn Flesh wash - it's one of paints I used to paint my miniatures. I applied two coats, but think one more will do no harm - and after that will also apply a layer of gloss varnish.

I did some research but couldn't find any info on full size Hannah, except for what is on Wiki. And since everybody has white Hannah, I wanted to do something different .

I also think that decks will remain as they are now - for some reason mt paints don't cover it at all when I try to put thin layer on, so to avoid loosing details, I decided to leave them alone .

I also painted some hatches and one anchor, but I did it now, so most probably will have to do it again in daylight.

Keel and masts will also remain unpained I think - will polish them, a bit, but again - don't want to make my ship look like one blob of paint.

Quarter deck is still unshaped and not washed, but it will be prepared.

I think that's all for now, next update in a day or two .

Regards
Tom

Hi Tom - my keel also sat deep in the hull - I don't think it's a huge issue in terms of construction and I think that given the height of the model and the space inside the bottle, a low set keel will actually help (I think it helped in terms of the relative ease of getting mine into the bottle. I don't think the keel should disappear entirely but it doesn't look like that's the case with yours - how far does the keel protrude at the bottom? Mine is at a minimum of about 1mm I think, though it is well exposed at both stern and stem....
hamilton

Hi everyone!
Thank you all for your support and interest in this project.
 
Yesterday I have started to make handrails.
 

 

 
Best Regards!
Igor.

Thank you again Patrick .

Today I managed to sand my little hull a bit more, but it's still long way to go... Will have some fun with it after work, and hopefully will finish sanding in few days.

What I noticed, the slot for keel I cut is a little too deep, I have about 1mm left when parts are put together, but that will be easy fix too. Might actualy leave it a bit deeper, so I have more room when it comes to final stage.

More to follow soon.
Cheers

Thank you again Patrick .

Today I managed to sand my little hull a bit more, but it's still long way to go... Will have some fun with it after work, and hopefully will finish sanding in few days.

What I noticed, the slot for keel I cut is a little too deep, I have about 1mm left when parts are put together, but that will be easy fix too. Might actualy leave it a bit deeper, so I have more room when it comes to final stage.

More to follow soon.
Cheers

Thank you again Patrick .

Today I managed to sand my little hull a bit more, but it's still long way to go... Will have some fun with it after work, and hopefully will finish sanding in few days.

What I noticed, the slot for keel I cut is a little too deep, I have about 1mm left when parts are put together, but that will be easy fix too. Might actualy leave it a bit deeper, so I have more room when it comes to final stage.

More to follow soon.
Cheers

Thank you again for good info mate.


I finally managed to get my lower deck to stay in place, but before that I painted brass decks and some hatches. Think I will give it a wash later on, cause that shine looks terrible. Decks don't really look like decks, so might paint it with mix of white and brown and later give it a brown-black wash. Also don't like the idea of leaving hatches unpainted, so might spill some gunmetal or even dark silver on them, to resemble bars.

After that I started to shape my little hull.... Well, few hours have passed and I can see no end of it... I didn't think it will be so time consuming. I also got a little carried away with stern and sanded one side just a tiny bit too much. Upper deck still fits though, and I still have some room for final shaping, but it will be more precise job that I wanted it to be... Ehhh, being careless paid off very quickly...

I have also cut the slot for keel and here are few things too. Hull seems to be on the short side, but still meets both ends. I also got something in the middle of the hull and for some reason using junior hacksaw doesn't seem to work, but will figure it out later. Another thing, parts 13,14 and 15 started to come off again, so will have to put them back and of course finish sanding.

Questions :D

Just one - how deep keel is supposed to sit in the hull?

Progress so far



Not bad for two days, but I'm affraid I will have to slow down a lot during the week. Hate when work gets in the way of anything...

All the best
Tom

Thank you again for good info mate.


I finally managed to get my lower deck to stay in place, but before that I painted brass decks and some hatches. Think I will give it a wash later on, cause that shine looks terrible. Decks don't really look like decks, so might paint it with mix of white and brown and later give it a brown-black wash. Also don't like the idea of leaving hatches unpainted, so might spill some gunmetal or even dark silver on them, to resemble bars.

After that I started to shape my little hull.... Well, few hours have passed and I can see no end of it... I didn't think it will be so time consuming. I also got a little carried away with stern and sanded one side just a tiny bit too much. Upper deck still fits though, and I still have some room for final shaping, but it will be more precise job that I wanted it to be... Ehhh, being careless paid off very quickly...

I have also cut the slot for keel and here are few things too. Hull seems to be on the short side, but still meets both ends. I also got something in the middle of the hull and for some reason using junior hacksaw doesn't seem to work, but will figure it out later. Another thing, parts 13,14 and 15 started to come off again, so will have to put them back and of course finish sanding.

Questions :D

Just one - how deep keel is supposed to sit in the hull?

Progress so far



Not bad for two days, but I'm affraid I will have to slow down a lot during the week. Hate when work gets in the way of anything...

All the best
Tom

I found the part no 5 the most off out of them all. It was much shorter than no 6, but wider at same time. I figured out I will just glue that bit somehow in the middle to avoid too big gaps at the bow and stern, but will see after shaping how clever was that idea...

Progress from yesterday



Today I finally finished hull



and stern quarterdeck



I also glued underdeck, but spotted quite big gap between that and hull, luckily glue still didn't set, so I took it off. Will resand it later and hopefully shape hull today. In the meantime, I am thinking of colour for it - somehow would prefer to see the wood itself instead of all white ship, but have no idea yet what to do with keel... Maybe a visit in local hobby craft will brighten my mind a bit

Regards

Hi Tom
 
Very nice progress so far. She's certainly shaping up beautifully.
 
Great job!
 
Cheers
 
Patrick

Thank you again for good info mate.


I finally managed to get my lower deck to stay in place, but before that I painted brass decks and some hatches. Think I will give it a wash later on, cause that shine looks terrible. Decks don't really look like decks, so might paint it with mix of white and brown and later give it a brown-black wash. Also don't like the idea of leaving hatches unpainted, so might spill some gunmetal or even dark silver on them, to resemble bars.

After that I started to shape my little hull.... Well, few hours have passed and I can see no end of it... I didn't think it will be so time consuming. I also got a little carried away with stern and sanded one side just a tiny bit too much. Upper deck still fits though, and I still have some room for final shaping, but it will be more precise job that I wanted it to be... Ehhh, being careless paid off very quickly...

I have also cut the slot for keel and here are few things too. Hull seems to be on the short side, but still meets both ends. I also got something in the middle of the hull and for some reason using junior hacksaw doesn't seem to work, but will figure it out later. Another thing, parts 13,14 and 15 started to come off again, so will have to put them back and of course finish sanding.

Questions :D

Just one - how deep keel is supposed to sit in the hull?

Progress so far



Not bad for two days, but I'm affraid I will have to slow down a lot during the week. Hate when work gets in the way of anything...

All the best
Tom

Thank you again for good info mate.


I finally managed to get my lower deck to stay in place, but before that I painted brass decks and some hatches. Think I will give it a wash later on, cause that shine looks terrible. Decks don't really look like decks, so might paint it with mix of white and brown and later give it a brown-black wash. Also don't like the idea of leaving hatches unpainted, so might spill some gunmetal or even dark silver on them, to resemble bars.

After that I started to shape my little hull.... Well, few hours have passed and I can see no end of it... I didn't think it will be so time consuming. I also got a little carried away with stern and sanded one side just a tiny bit too much. Upper deck still fits though, and I still have some room for final shaping, but it will be more precise job that I wanted it to be... Ehhh, being careless paid off very quickly...

I have also cut the slot for keel and here are few things too. Hull seems to be on the short side, but still meets both ends. I also got something in the middle of the hull and for some reason using junior hacksaw doesn't seem to work, but will figure it out later. Another thing, parts 13,14 and 15 started to come off again, so will have to put them back and of course finish sanding.

Questions :D

Just one - how deep keel is supposed to sit in the hull?

Progress so far



Not bad for two days, but I'm affraid I will have to slow down a lot during the week. Hate when work gets in the way of anything...

All the best
Tom

Thank you Patrick!

I found the part no 5 the most off out of them all. It was much shorter than no 6, but wider at same time. I figured out I will just glue that bit somehow in the middle to avoid too big gaps at the bow and stern, but will see after shaping how clever was that idea...

Progress from yesterday



Today I finally finished hull



and stern quarterdeck



I also glued underdeck, but spotted quite big gap between that and hull, luckily glue still didn't set, so I took it off. Will resand it later and hopefully shape hull today. In the meantime, I am thinking of colour for it - somehow would prefer to see the wood itself instead of all white ship, but have no idea yet what to do with keel... Maybe a visit in local hobby craft will brighten my mind a bit

Regards

Thank you again for good info mate.


I finally managed to get my lower deck to stay in place, but before that I painted brass decks and some hatches. Think I will give it a wash later on, cause that shine looks terrible. Decks don't really look like decks, so might paint it with mix of white and brown and later give it a brown-black wash. Also don't like the idea of leaving hatches unpainted, so might spill some gunmetal or even dark silver on them, to resemble bars.

After that I started to shape my little hull.... Well, few hours have passed and I can see no end of it... I didn't think it will be so time consuming. I also got a little carried away with stern and sanded one side just a tiny bit too much. Upper deck still fits though, and I still have some room for final shaping, but it will be more precise job that I wanted it to be... Ehhh, being careless paid off very quickly...

I have also cut the slot for keel and here are few things too. Hull seems to be on the short side, but still meets both ends. I also got something in the middle of the hull and for some reason using junior hacksaw doesn't seem to work, but will figure it out later. Another thing, parts 13,14 and 15 started to come off again, so will have to put them back and of course finish sanding.

Questions :D

Just one - how deep keel is supposed to sit in the hull?

Progress so far



Not bad for two days, but I'm affraid I will have to slow down a lot during the week. Hate when work gets in the way of anything...

All the best
Tom

Hi Tom:
 
Looks about right to me! The sanding will help a lot with the unevenness of the lifts. I spent a lot of time sanding (probably could have spent more). The top side particularly and the bottom both needed quite a bit to smooth out the edges that define the sweep of the deck and the shape of the lower hull. The bow was probably the trickiest area to sand to smoothness while keeping it even. Looks like you'll need some filler in a couple of places, but it's better than mine - I had a small gap (about .5-1mm) that ran around the entire ship due to the misnomered lift.....
 
One issue with leaving it with a natural finish is that the lines between the lifts tend to really show up when the hull is sanded and it looks kind of weird. Maybe this would be ok with the dramatic effect of the sails and the opacity of the bottle, but you'll see once you get it sanded - you can hold off on the decision till then, fortunately - I actually held off until I'd already installed the bulwarks....
 
Anyway keep it up!
hamilton

I found the part no 5 the most off out of them all. It was much shorter than no 6, but wider at same time. I figured out I will just glue that bit somehow in the middle to avoid too big gaps at the bow and stern, but will see after shaping how clever was that idea...

Progress from yesterday



Today I finally finished hull



and stern quarterdeck



I also glued underdeck, but spotted quite big gap between that and hull, luckily glue still didn't set, so I took it off. Will resand it later and hopefully shape hull today. In the meantime, I am thinking of colour for it - somehow would prefer to see the wood itself instead of all white ship, but have no idea yet what to do with keel... Maybe a visit in local hobby craft will brighten my mind a bit

Regards

Thank you for the picture.

But what do you mean by saying you've not given up yet?? You can't give up at the finish line mate . If you're too mad now to work on it, put it aside for some time, but do make it to the end . Fingers crossed

Joys of modelling eh?

Author of Tigersbay was using CA and he was happy with the result, so maybe it will be way to go? I wouldn't like to get any misting on the bottle as it isn't clear already, but from other side - it will be much easier to wipe inside with CA debonder than get rid of set epoxy from pins inside.

Glad to see you were able to get her inside - some logs I have seen mention that it's almost impossbile, the required pressure is high etc. So we have another ship that was modelled correctly .

I see you have used sails provided with the kit. If you don't mind, could you post a picture of the ship with masts up? It is for purely selfish purpose of making my mind up, as I don't know if I should storm the bedroom with scissors and attack the bedsheets (exposing myself to the anger of admiral at the same time )

Another question, have you already finished bottle stopper? Did you stain it or just left as it were? And what colour scheme have you chosen for crest? I couldn't make my mind up yesterday, there is fair amount of pics on google, all look simillar but every one is different. And I didn't like too much how it was painted @ Tigersbay, it seems unfinished to me.

You're nearly there mate. Press on regardless! Good luck!

Haha! By "give up" I mean just toss the ship into the bottle in a heap and leave it like that as a "ship-wreck-in-a-bottle" - it's pretty high concept and I don't think many people would get it immediately, but it might be my last option if all else fails.....I won't be trying to mount it again tonight, but am going to stick with redoing the topsail....
 
You might also have noticed that I decided not to rig the fore course - I felt that too much of the deck work would be masked by this large sail, so I opted to go for a rig as depicted on the bottle with topsail only......anyhow....more later
hamilton

Since I did not face the problem myself, can't speak from own experience, but I have seen that guy behind Tigersbay blog tested few glues during his SiB builds and was happy with the effect slow setting CA gave him.

http://s.kahn.lyshanpress.com/blog/blog1.php

I think I have seen it mentioned in Golden Yacht build, but have a look yourself .

And since you didn't start your log for Hannah, how about posting some pics here, just so we can see how you get on? I;d love to see your progress .

Regards
Tom