Captain Al

Ah.  Makes sense.

Yes, both the explanation and photo are of great help.  I've seen lots of pix of the sail brailed but thought there might be an alternative.  There always is on a sail boat.  I learned that from experience.  The idea of a crutch also crossed my mind.  Of course there is no mention or pic of one on Bounty.  The dimension (length) of the lower boom (which is which? spanker or driver above?) given by the A.L. plans puts the boom way over the taffrail and is far longer than the real Bounty's (32' v. 22').  So A.L. could have included a crutch atop the flag locker -- if they'd provided space for a flag locker which they don't.  So with no flag locker, I can't use a crutch.  Moreover, with Bligh's boom only 22' it fits within the space between the mizzen and the flag locker, so Bounty did not employ a crutch.  Best thought is what you guys have suggested -- brail the sail mates and keep the boom aloft.   Thanks for your interest and replies.

I can find those kind of Gutterman rolls in my local hobby store (Joannes in case anyone else has that store) but they aren't marked with the size of the thread.  Are your's?  How do you tell a .8mm from a .5mm?

I can find those kind of Gutterman rolls in my local hobby store (Joannes in case anyone else has that store) but they aren't marked with the size of the thread.  Are your's?  How do you tell a .8mm from a .5mm?

I can find those kind of Gutterman rolls in my local hobby store (Joannes in case anyone else has that store) but they aren't marked with the size of the thread.  Are your's?  How do you tell a .8mm from a .5mm?

Thanks Avi.  I think I get the picture.  What you're saying is that the groove resulted from removing the thin strips and it now serves no real purpose but it is not in the way of anything and not visible.  So no need to fill it or make new block frames.  Just one of those curiosities that you put in so you'd get more replies.  I get it.

I can find those kind of Gutterman rolls in my local hobby store (Joannes in case anyone else has that store) but they aren't marked with the size of the thread.  Are your's?  How do you tell a .8mm from a .5mm?

My photography could be better, but here you are:

Avi, I have a question regarding the frames in the first several pictures.  It appears that the frames are rabbitted (maybe the term is dado'd?) on their forward side.  Can you tell me to what purpose those rabbits serve?  I thought at first they were for stiffeners that fit between frames, but when I look closely I can only see this rabbit on the forward side of each frame, so there is nowhere for a stiffener to fit into on the next frame.  I hope my question is understood.

Ahh....nowhere near the 120 feet I envisioned.  A relatively small schooner.  The 1:20 makes a great scale then.  No bigger (as a model) then my Bounty at 1:48.  I'll be watching and saving this log for future reference.  Great work.

Ahh....nowhere near the 120 feet I envisioned.  A relatively small schooner.  The 1:20 makes a great scale then.  No bigger (as a model) then my Bounty at 1:48.  I'll be watching and saving this log for future reference.  Great work.

I'm totally enthralled with this build!  I've been wanting to build a ship (any type really) in a real large scale (even 1:48 gives me fits sometime).  I'm trying to figure out how long and wide your model will come out.  I can't find the actual dimensions of La Jacinthe anywhere.  I'm guessing it was about 120 feet long?  So your model will be like 6 feet?  Much like models I saw once on display on the Sydney Harbor quay.  Great work so far. 

My photography could be better, but here you are:

As a relative newbie (working on my first model for 2.5 years now) I am putting out there suggestions that would hopefully bring more novices into the hobby and more importantly, keep them engaged in it.  This hobby is not fun as it is set up today.  I hate to say that, but it requires so many attributes (not skills) like patience, perseverance, and the ability to overcome obstacles, that young and old alike just do not have.  I've found that when the build process is clear, I have fun doing it.  When I know where I'm going next; why one step should proceed, not follow another, and I have the right tool available for the job, then the fun begins.  But I would guess that I spend 3/4 of my time poring over plans, internet pictures, tutorials etc. to get me to where I'm comfortable taking the next step.  Admittedly I started out with an advanced kit (A.L.'s Bounty), but I've read about lots of other novice to mid level builders who experience the same with far simpler kits.  So, with that in mind, I will repeat what JerseyCityFrankie and Chuck A wrote a few pages earlier:
 
There needs to be a logical 'curriculum' for entry level builders which will allow them to become familiar with terminology, basic ship structure, tools and materials.  Each step in the way should increase the complexity of the build but each step should allow the builder to produce (with not alot of angst) a model he or she can be proud of.  
 
Included in this "course" must be far more explicit closeup photos of build as it progresses.  A picture tells a thousand words but it takes forever to find the right picture on the internet.  And instructions need to be accurate and (if a translation from Spanish is needed, it needs to be proofread or checked with someone who speaks English). 
 
Both of these suggestions would have allowed me to complete my Bounty at least a year ago and I would have gone on to spend more $$ in the industry.  Instead I am still trying to figure out where the mizzen stay actually terminates, and have decided in advance that running rigging is far too complex for me.  So it will be some time still before I look for my next model.  I actually suggested to my friend and fellow Bounty builder (thomaslambo) that if I continue to build model ships, even after doing a pretty decent job of Bounty, that I intended to revert to a simple canoe and pretend it was my first model.  Then I would proceed as ChuckA has suggested with increasingly more detailed models.  So it would be a great help if some experienced hands (and mfrs) could offer such a planned approach.

As a relative newbie (working on my first model for 2.5 years now) I am putting out there suggestions that would hopefully bring more novices into the hobby and more importantly, keep them engaged in it.  This hobby is not fun as it is set up today.  I hate to say that, but it requires so many attributes (not skills) like patience, perseverance, and the ability to overcome obstacles, that young and old alike just do not have.  I've found that when the build process is clear, I have fun doing it.  When I know where I'm going next; why one step should proceed, not follow another, and I have the right tool available for the job, then the fun begins.  But I would guess that I spend 3/4 of my time poring over plans, internet pictures, tutorials etc. to get me to where I'm comfortable taking the next step.  Admittedly I started out with an advanced kit (A.L.'s Bounty), but I've read about lots of other novice to mid level builders who experience the same with far simpler kits.  So, with that in mind, I will repeat what JerseyCityFrankie and Chuck A wrote a few pages earlier:
 
There needs to be a logical 'curriculum' for entry level builders which will allow them to become familiar with terminology, basic ship structure, tools and materials.  Each step in the way should increase the complexity of the build but each step should allow the builder to produce (with not alot of angst) a model he or she can be proud of.  
 
Included in this "course" must be far more explicit closeup photos of build as it progresses.  A picture tells a thousand words but it takes forever to find the right picture on the internet.  And instructions need to be accurate and (if a translation from Spanish is needed, it needs to be proofread or checked with someone who speaks English). 
 
Both of these suggestions would have allowed me to complete my Bounty at least a year ago and I would have gone on to spend more $$ in the industry.  Instead I am still trying to figure out where the mizzen stay actually terminates, and have decided in advance that running rigging is far too complex for me.  So it will be some time still before I look for my next model.  I actually suggested to my friend and fellow Bounty builder (thomaslambo) that if I continue to build model ships, even after doing a pretty decent job of Bounty, that I intended to revert to a simple canoe and pretend it was my first model.  Then I would proceed as ChuckA has suggested with increasingly more detailed models.  So it would be a great help if some experienced hands (and mfrs) could offer such a planned approach.

As a relative newbie (working on my first model for 2.5 years now) I am putting out there suggestions that would hopefully bring more novices into the hobby and more importantly, keep them engaged in it.  This hobby is not fun as it is set up today.  I hate to say that, but it requires so many attributes (not skills) like patience, perseverance, and the ability to overcome obstacles, that young and old alike just do not have.  I've found that when the build process is clear, I have fun doing it.  When I know where I'm going next; why one step should proceed, not follow another, and I have the right tool available for the job, then the fun begins.  But I would guess that I spend 3/4 of my time poring over plans, internet pictures, tutorials etc. to get me to where I'm comfortable taking the next step.  Admittedly I started out with an advanced kit (A.L.'s Bounty), but I've read about lots of other novice to mid level builders who experience the same with far simpler kits.  So, with that in mind, I will repeat what JerseyCityFrankie and Chuck A wrote a few pages earlier:
 
There needs to be a logical 'curriculum' for entry level builders which will allow them to become familiar with terminology, basic ship structure, tools and materials.  Each step in the way should increase the complexity of the build but each step should allow the builder to produce (with not alot of angst) a model he or she can be proud of.  
 
Included in this "course" must be far more explicit closeup photos of build as it progresses.  A picture tells a thousand words but it takes forever to find the right picture on the internet.  And instructions need to be accurate and (if a translation from Spanish is needed, it needs to be proofread or checked with someone who speaks English). 
 
Both of these suggestions would have allowed me to complete my Bounty at least a year ago and I would have gone on to spend more $$ in the industry.  Instead I am still trying to figure out where the mizzen stay actually terminates, and have decided in advance that running rigging is far too complex for me.  So it will be some time still before I look for my next model.  I actually suggested to my friend and fellow Bounty builder (thomaslambo) that if I continue to build model ships, even after doing a pretty decent job of Bounty, that I intended to revert to a simple canoe and pretend it was my first model.  Then I would proceed as ChuckA has suggested with increasingly more detailed models.  So it would be a great help if some experienced hands (and mfrs) could offer such a planned approach.

As a relative newbie (working on my first model for 2.5 years now) I am putting out there suggestions that would hopefully bring more novices into the hobby and more importantly, keep them engaged in it.  This hobby is not fun as it is set up today.  I hate to say that, but it requires so many attributes (not skills) like patience, perseverance, and the ability to overcome obstacles, that young and old alike just do not have.  I've found that when the build process is clear, I have fun doing it.  When I know where I'm going next; why one step should proceed, not follow another, and I have the right tool available for the job, then the fun begins.  But I would guess that I spend 3/4 of my time poring over plans, internet pictures, tutorials etc. to get me to where I'm comfortable taking the next step.  Admittedly I started out with an advanced kit (A.L.'s Bounty), but I've read about lots of other novice to mid level builders who experience the same with far simpler kits.  So, with that in mind, I will repeat what JerseyCityFrankie and Chuck A wrote a few pages earlier:
 
There needs to be a logical 'curriculum' for entry level builders which will allow them to become familiar with terminology, basic ship structure, tools and materials.  Each step in the way should increase the complexity of the build but each step should allow the builder to produce (with not alot of angst) a model he or she can be proud of.  
 
Included in this "course" must be far more explicit closeup photos of build as it progresses.  A picture tells a thousand words but it takes forever to find the right picture on the internet.  And instructions need to be accurate and (if a translation from Spanish is needed, it needs to be proofread or checked with someone who speaks English). 
 
Both of these suggestions would have allowed me to complete my Bounty at least a year ago and I would have gone on to spend more $$ in the industry.  Instead I am still trying to figure out where the mizzen stay actually terminates, and have decided in advance that running rigging is far too complex for me.  So it will be some time still before I look for my next model.  I actually suggested to my friend and fellow Bounty builder (thomaslambo) that if I continue to build model ships, even after doing a pretty decent job of Bounty, that I intended to revert to a simple canoe and pretend it was my first model.  Then I would proceed as ChuckA has suggested with increasingly more detailed models.  So it would be a great help if some experienced hands (and mfrs) could offer such a planned approach.

Just wanted to say thanks again for providing us with these images.  You're extremely skilled and creative.  To add, Old Man is one of my favorites all time and I have a first edition copy.  A treasure.

Just wanted to say thanks again for providing us with these images.  You're extremely skilled and creative.  To add, Old Man is one of my favorites all time and I have a first edition copy.  A treasure.

Sorry for the typos Igor and for not being clear.  I was referring to the end of the story where the Old Man brings in the sword fish and there is nothing left of it but its carcass, or bare bones.  I thought the word for swordfish in Spanish was a "dorad."  So I'm wondering if you will take the story to the conclusion in your diorama.

My photography could be better, but here you are:

Just wanted to say thanks again for providing us with these images.  You're extremely skilled and creative.  To add, Old Man is one of my favorites all time and I have a first edition copy.  A treasure.

My photography could be better, but here you are:

My photography could be better, but here you are:

My photography could be better, but here you are: