Winlich Posted May 29, 2015 Author #31 Posted May 29, 2015 29.5.2015 Masts Today it was turn to put the pieces together to masts. Managed to make at least the base ready before putting "middle ropes" and starting the rigging. If I understood correctly, some does the deadeye rigging into the top masts first before gluing the masts into the hull, and then after gluing move to chainwail deadeyes rigging. Maybe I try that also first... rschissler and Harvey 2 Quote
rschissler Posted May 30, 2015 #32 Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) I think you are doing a really nice job on this, and will follow your updates on a regular basis.. Your tops are very similar to mine. One concern I see is whether the holes in the base of your tops is large enough to thread the stay and all the shrouds? That is one thing I've worried about on my model, so I have waited adding the tops until the shrouds and stay are on. Because, I think I may have to enlarge the hole in the base, plus it will make it easier to thread without the tops in the way. Edited May 30, 2015 by rschissler Winlich 1 Quote _________________________________________ Current Build: Golden Hind - Mamoli - Galleon 1580
Winlich Posted May 30, 2015 Author #33 Posted May 30, 2015 I think you are doing a really nice job on this, and will follow your updates on a regular basis.. Your tops are very similar to mine. One concern I see is whether the holes in the base of your tops is large enough to thread the stay and all the shrouds? That is one thing I've worried about on my model, so I have waited adding the tops until the shrouds and stay are on. Because, I think I may have to enlarge the hole in the base, plus it will make it easier to thread without the tops in the way. Thanks Rschissler! I tested with 6 shrouds and they went through smooth even from 1 hole (I hope I understood correctly what holes you mean). It's hard to measure the gap but they are around 2mm:ish in my case. Added few pics to illustrate. ps. When putting the very top mast piece on, I made a small measurement mistake and when everything else is straight, my tops tilt a liiiitle bit backwards... I did the mistake with the foremast and.. have to admit, I repeated the same mistake in the main mast so had to tilt backward also the last mast so that it seems a "calculated mistake" Quote
Winlich Posted May 30, 2015 Author #34 Posted May 30, 2015 30.5.2015 Preparing mast hoops and digging Internet for rigging information. Today I mostly searched Internet how to do mast hoops, shroud riggings, shroud and deadeye connections, ideas to ratlines, order of rigging and trying to figure out do I need to do some block connections to mast before I continue or just start doing shrouds and ratlines. I put some pics how I decided to do the mast hoops to the foremast. Quote
HIPEXEC Posted May 30, 2015 #35 Posted May 30, 2015 Very nice work! Winlich 1 Quote Rich Rich USS Constitution by hipexec (Finished build) Virginia Pilot Boat 1805 (gallery - first build) USS Syren (USS Argus) by Hipexec Joshua Slocum's Spray by HIPEXEC
Winlich Posted May 31, 2015 Author #36 Posted May 31, 2015 30.5. continued. Since constructo instructions didn't say anything about the top mast deadeyes, I decided to follow this model, with a slight twitch. Quote
Winlich Posted May 31, 2015 Author #37 Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) 30.5. continued. Since constructo instructions didn't say anything about the top mast deadeyes, I decided to follow this model, with a slight twitch. Instead of fixed chain plate, I used rope (same as in shrouds). The lower part is fixed only when I get to the base foremast shrouds. I tried the hook technique but my hooks looked awful (picture below) so I decided to make a fixed ring to connect the deadeye hook and the "rope" plate. I left 10 cm rope hanging for room to fix that later to the base shroud ratlines. Edited May 31, 2015 by Winlich yvesvidal 1 Quote
Winlich Posted May 31, 2015 Author #38 Posted May 31, 2015 31.5.2015 Top foremast shrouds and lanyards. Today I found my new best friend: NEEDLE THREADERS! Handy tool, the inventor should be awarded nobel prize Quote
Winlich Posted June 1, 2015 Author #39 Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) 1.6.2015 Preparing foremast. I figured that before moving to ratlining, gluing the mast in place and moving to main mast, I should try to finish all the small blocks that are going to get attached to foremast at this stage. a) after ratlines and fixing the mast, it's harder to seize those small parts that are close to the mast. At least now after work it seems to be a good idea, but lets see later when I actually going to use those blocks . In addition I modified a bit the Fore Stay (which in original would have been just few knots) by building a Mouse there. I also seized the base mast shrouds ready for deadeye connections. Almost all my time went on research what does those Contructo drawing actually mean and for what purpose those lines will be set up. I hope I got it right and please comment if you see something wrong in my approach. Going to still finish the top mast (only few connections and should be much easier). Edited June 1, 2015 by Winlich yvesvidal 1 Quote
Winlich Posted June 2, 2015 Author #40 Posted June 2, 2015 2.6.2015 Preparing main mast. Main mast hoops, base and top mast shrouds, all the needed block, parts and rig connections ready. I hope I understood correctly the instructions earlier because I basically followed exactly how I did my fore mast. Few enhancements to my knots and I also used a bit thicker rope to seizings to give a bit cleaner result. I'll take a more detailed photos after I have connected the shrouds to lanyards cause at the moment my masts looks like rope hell . Quote
Winlich Posted June 4, 2015 Author #41 Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) 4.6.2015 Mizzen mast shrouds+blocks and attaching masts to the hull. Today Finished mizzen mast and attached masts to the hull Learning: It's hard to drill right in the beginning straight into right angle all the masts but do it carefully then in the beginning and you save a lots of trouble at this stage. I almost got everything straight but needed some rework on the main mast bottom to fit it in right angle. Let's see when the glue is dry and the base riggings are in place. Oh, and just noticed that I forgot to do the main top mast lanyards before gluing masts in place. Oh well, a bit more uncomfortable position to do them tomorrow... Edited June 4, 2015 by Winlich yvesvidal and Jason 2 Quote
Winlich Posted June 6, 2015 Author #42 Posted June 6, 2015 5.6. and 6.6.2015 Rigging fore mast with deadeye lanyards. Trying to be as patient as possible and make quality work. I'm following this model (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrImPdbLRAw) when rigging lanyards. I'm putting only 2 visible seizings (1 right where the deadeye meets the shroud) and I'm finishing lanyard without taking it all the way up "behind" the shroud like in the video. Quote
Winlich Posted June 7, 2015 Author #43 Posted June 7, 2015 7.6.2015 Fore mast sheer poles and main top mast shrouds. Building top mast shrouds before attaching masts to the hull would have given a lot more comfortable working position as I thought . I wonder if I should have also build the ratlines to top masts before gluing masts in place... I think I also made a small mistake by attaching the fore mast yards already in place. I will definitely leave them off from main mast and mizzen until I have done the ratlines, because at least now it seems that they will be a bit in a way. Maybe finish ratlines and then move to yards. yvesvidal 1 Quote
Winlich Posted June 8, 2015 Author #44 Posted June 8, 2015 8.6.2015 Main mast shrouds and deadeyes. Today I continued with main mast shrouds and deadeyes and managed to finish port side. Nothing special, except when fixing Chain plates (didn't do that before the shrouds were ready so that I could get the into right angle), I managed to break the other of the pump levers. Should be easy to fix with CA. I didn't fix any of the yards yet before ratlines are done. It was hard to get same tension to the shrouds and it feels the sheer pole is balancing a bit (at least it feels so in the fore mast). Should be pretty equal except maybe 1-2 that are a bit less tight but I don't know yet if it will create some problems in the future, lets see. yvesvidal 1 Quote
Winlich Posted June 10, 2015 Author #45 Posted June 10, 2015 10.6.2015 Main mast shrouds and deadeye lanyards completed. ASAT 1 Quote
ASAT Posted June 10, 2015 #46 Posted June 10, 2015 Very nice first build, your skill is very evident! Keep it up! Quote Lou, In Pleasant View Harvey by ASAT- AL Scale 1:50 - Kitbash Fair American by ASAT - LSS Craftsman Plus https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23121-revenge-1577-by-asat-amati-164/
Winlich Posted June 11, 2015 Author #47 Posted June 11, 2015 Very nice first build, your skill is very evident! Keep it up! Thanks Asat! I try to keep calm and not to hurry ahead too fast and make mistakes (done enough already) Quote
Winlich Posted June 13, 2015 Author #48 Posted June 13, 2015 two days break and today 13.6.2015 Mizzen shrouds ready. Tomorrow main mast sheer poles and I guess after that ratlines before the yards! I've looked a lot of information how to tie the ratlines and I think I'm going to follow this method: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMmGFWJhi8E Quote
Winlich Posted June 14, 2015 Author #49 Posted June 14, 2015 14.6.2015 Sheer poles and starting ratlines. Today I started with the much waited ratlines. I think the ratlines should be straight horizontal (?) and if the sheer pole is adjusted to the hull's angle, the ratlines should move horizontal straight pretty fast when starting from downwards up. Anyway the basic knots felt easy to do, but getting the ratlines straight (right tension not to pull shrouds together and not to be too loose) was a bit more difficult. Going to search more best practices and continue tomorrow. I'm trying to put ratlines every 0,8mm, so in 1:65 scale it would be 52cm in real size. Quote
Winlich Posted June 15, 2015 Author #50 Posted June 15, 2015 15.6.2015 Starboard side main mast ratlines Today finished main mast starboard side ratlines. Use clove hitches to tie ratline to shrouds. When I was closing the guard tower I reduced the knots to every other shroud for the last 4 ratlines before the sheer pole. yvesvidal 1 Quote
Winlich Posted June 18, 2015 Author #51 Posted June 18, 2015 18.6.2015 Base foremast ratlines finished. Moving to Mizzen and then top mast ratlines. Today finished the fore base mast ratlines. As I figured earlier, it was not a good idea to attach the fore mast yards before doing the ratlines. They weren't disturbing that much, but maybe I would have tightened them a bit.. yvesvidal 1 Quote
Winlich Posted June 19, 2015 Author #52 Posted June 19, 2015 19.6.2015 Ratlines finished Finished top masts and mizzen ratlines and have to say I enjoyed the ratlines stage. Few things I noticed: The top mast shrouds were too loose, should've tightened them in previous stages. Second, attach yards only after the ratlines are finished. Third: Prepare (don't attach) the yards before moving to shrouds (easier to move to yards when you don't have to work right behind the newly build ratlines). Quote
Winlich Posted June 20, 2015 Author #53 Posted June 20, 2015 20.6.2015 Fore, mainmast and mizzen yards. Finished the yards today. I think it really paid off making the yards ready to the masts before attaching them. It was much easier now just to do the final knots and not to start hassling with the guardpost/top mast knots/mouses. captgino 1 Quote
Winlich Posted June 21, 2015 Author #54 Posted June 21, 2015 21.6.2015 Spritsail rigging Today I started rigging spritsail and attaching garnets. Before attaching the bowsprit sail, I attached all the needed skoots/ropes (not sure if that's the correct name). Few learnings: Attach the base for belaying pins properly, when you start attaching ropes to the pins, how frustrating is that the base comes off. Second: Attach first the yards, and only then the ropes that connects the sail tips (skoots?). Third, since there are quite a many belaying pins, make sure you read the number correct where you want to attach the rope. yvesvidal 1 Quote
Winlich Posted June 22, 2015 Author #55 Posted June 22, 2015 (edited) 22.6.2015 Finishing spritsail. Learning: Constructo manual says the position of the yard that is attached to the edges of the spritsail and runs through the foremast midpoint blocks. The belaying pin position seems to be wrong and I need probably to reposition the belaying pin for that rope. It seems that I cannot fit the Main foremast sail if the ropes are attached to rear belaying pins. I put the picture with red arrows pointing the problem position. Too bad I didn't leave too much extra rope to the belaying pins and already applied CA, well, lets see how it looks when I have prepped the lower foremast sail. Also tried coiling few example ropes, didn't attach them yet since the space between the belaying pins is small and I will still need the room. Edited June 22, 2015 by Winlich yvesvidal 1 Quote
rschissler Posted June 23, 2015 #56 Posted June 23, 2015 OK, I have a question. Is your bowsprit and the yard for the sail not tapered? Winlich 1 Quote _________________________________________ Current Build: Golden Hind - Mamoli - Galleon 1580
Winlich Posted June 23, 2015 Author #57 Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) 23.6.2015 Fore yard and the sail I ended up cutting off the yard that connects spritsail yard edges and the foremast midpoint because the fore yard couldn't fit. Going to attach that right after I have rigged the fore yard and the sail. I think the same problem goes with the fore yard connection to mainmast midpoint, so this time I'm not going to attach it yet to the belaying pins. Managed to prep today the fore yard and sail blocks. Edited June 23, 2015 by Winlich Quote
Winlich Posted June 23, 2015 Author #58 Posted June 23, 2015 OK, I have a question. Is your bowsprit and the yard for the sail not tapered? Umm... had to search what it means . If I'm correct it means that the yard is thinner on the edges than in the middle? Nope.... I've actually seen that in the pictures of other building logs, thought of it a month ago but I somehow figured its something special for those vessels and I'll come back to that but now that you mentioned it... I also noticed that I haven't finished the edges at all... Can't blame Constructo since I wouldn't even call this guide an instructions so have to look into the mirror . Well, only solution is to break the fore yard ropes and do it again. Too bad I already managed to prep the fore yard ropes into the foremast ready for the actual yard including the rope that is being used to pull down the yard. Probably going to leave the bowsprit and the spritsail yard as it is, lets see tomorrow when I'm calmer . Thanks Rschissler for bringing this up!! Quote
rschissler Posted June 23, 2015 #59 Posted June 23, 2015 Now, I'm wondering about your masts... Winlich 1 Quote _________________________________________ Current Build: Golden Hind - Mamoli - Galleon 1580
Winlich Posted June 23, 2015 Author #60 Posted June 23, 2015 Now, I'm wondering about your masts... Oh my... Just realized why the connector piece's (lower mast and upper mast) holes were that small! I made the holes larger and larger and eventually when the 6mm and 8mm masts went through, there wasn't room left (~0,2mm). Well, now I know what tapering means and also learned that the reason was to lower the weight of the yards... AND masts.. Quote
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