attaching yard to masts

[Jparsley]

I am wondering what is the correct way to attach my yards to my masts   the pictures that came with my kit are blurry and I can not make out any details   I am trying to build the usf constellation by artesania latina    is any one has an idea please let me know  I want to do more detail than a simple knot  lol  thanks

[Stockholm tar]

Jp,

 

I don't know the model, or how you fixed the yards on the mizzen mast but, apart from any jeers, parrels etc. which are probably shown on your plans (if you can see them) a good tip is to also put a metal pin through both yard and mast, which will hold the yard firmly in place. It should, of course, be invisible so drill a suitably sized hole half way though both. Glue and insert the pin in the mast first, then similarly attach the yard, making sure the latter is horizontal. I think you'll find this will make the attachment of the other rigging etc., much easier.

 

In passing perhaps another member here, building the same model, would be willing to copy his/her plans for you – but only if they are clear of course!

[Jparsley]

thank you Stockholm   the input is welcomed     im familiar with parrels  but not with jeers   can you explain that one  lol  thank you again

[amateur]

Copied this one somewhere from the net (without the expalantion to the numbers...)

 

The jeers are the two ropes from the blocks nextto the parrels to the underside of the top.

 

Jan

Edited December 2, 2015 by amateur

[Stockholm tar]

Jan,

 

Thanks, I had been looking for a diagram.

 

Jp,

 

As you can see from the diagram, the jeer blocks are attached to both the lower yard and the underside of the top and are a means of hoisting the former from the deck should they ever need to be lowered. They are normally kept in the hoisted position.

 

Each jeer consists of two blocks (a single and a double, the latter being fixed under the top). One end of the jeer rope is fastened near to the centre of the yard (I think with a timber hitch), which then runs through all the sheaves in the blocks and so to the deck. Here, it normally passes through a sheave in the bitts at the foot of the mast, and is then made fast to a timber head or a cleat.

 

You can probably see that there is also a parrel, holding the yard to the mast.

Edited December 4, 2015 by Stockholm tar

[Jparsley]

Thank you gentlemen that is exactly what I needed

[GuntherMT]

If your rigging is done properly, then there is no need (in my opinion of course) to 'pin' the yard to the mast.  The rigging will hold it in place just like it would on a real ship, and you can point that out to people who are interested, who will then be suitably impressed when you show them how it's done.

 

This also allows you to adjust the yards by using the rigging if they are not aligned exactly how you would like, and a pin arrangement would make this quite difficult.

 

Also, pinning requires (obviously) direct contact between the yard and the mast, and when a yard is hung from jeers, it should probably not actually be physically in contact with the mast.  If your yard is rigged using a parrel to a horse, then it's even more 'wrong' to have it in contact with the mast.

 

In the end though, use whichever method you like and works for you, chances are pretty good (like 99.99%) that nobody outside of this forum would ever be able to tell that it's not done the "right" way, regardless.

[kruginmi]

I guess the question hinges on whether you use slings or trusses.  With trusses , pinning is fine.

 

I do agree most would never know the difference, so do what you want!

 

Mark

[Jparsley]

Ok this is what I've done It is not pinned Let me know what y'all think or if I need to change it

[GuntherMT]

The pictures aren't very clear, but that appears to be just fine.  The fore and after braces will tighten everything up and allow you to adjust exactly where you want it to hang.

[Jparsley]

Sorry for the quality of the pictures my iPhone camera is not very good

[amateur]

Hi Gunter,

 

I discovered in my own build (corel, prins willem scale 1:100) that dor the topgallants some cheating was necessary: the yards are not heavy enough to keep thme in their places without some help. For the main yards, everything just hangs fine by its own weight.

 

@jparsley: next time you should consider making your mastwoolings from rope, or a strip of paper when the original had iron woolings. These brass rings donotlook completely right..

 

Jan

[GuntherMT]

Hi Gunter,

 

I discovered in my own build (corel, prins willem scale 1:100) that dor the topgallants some cheating was necessary: the yards are not heavy enough to keep thme in their places without some help. For the main yards, everything just hangs fine by its own weight.

 

Jan

 

I will take your word for that Jan - I built a Constructo 1:80 scale ship as my first build, but it was fore and aft rigged so no yards, and decided that I was never working in that tiny (or even tinier) scale ever again!  I'll give 1:64 a try, but plan to stay at that scale or larger forevermore!

 

Did your ship not have braces that would hold the yards in place after they were rigged?  I would not expect the weight of just the yards to hold them very well in pretty much any scale (other than 1:12 or something).

[Jparsley]

Hey Jan Thanks for the input I took it to heart and modified my masts or at least starting too Used rope instead of the brass rings

[GuntherMT]

That's a great visual improvement in my opinion.  Good decision and time well spent.

[Jparsley]

Thanks to both of your inputs the kit tells you to use the flashy rings I like the grungy true to build look

[Dr PS - Paul Schulze]

On 1:100 and smaller scale, has anyone tried notching the yards a bit with a Dremel to fit the masts ?

[amateur]

You need quite a notch to get a strong connection. So large that it is visible (at least it was in mine.) using a parrel and a drop of glue was enough for my yards

 

Jan