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The triangular section would accommodate the swing of the tiller heel and contain any water that was forced pas the rudder coat below. The aft part (colored blue) I agree would be storage space with a hinged lid, perhaps. These spaces would be separated by a divider, unless you go for the fresh halibut theory!

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42 minutes ago, tabycz said:

I asked for period (historic) example of construction --> photo of any solution on model, ilustration from book etc.

I did understand what you wanted but I don't think you are going to find anything. I hope somebody will prove me wrong.

 

In all the cutter plans I have, the structure on the Grace is unique.

 

The Watchfull (ZAZ6466) and the Starling (ZAZ6479) have rectangular structures doing the same job but these are only shown on the deck plans so there is no height information.

 

The two models below have structures doing the same job but are very different.

 

 

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Craig: Your schematic sketch is about right. Open so that the tall rudderhead can pass through (which is unusual), but perhaps there is a rudder coat around to prevent water coming up or going down and a hinged lid on the aft part, like the one just above in post #12.

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On 8/18/2020 at 5:07 AM, tabycz said:

Do anybody know what it is please? How it looks like?

Found this.

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This is a model in the NMM collections, item # SLR0416.

https://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66377.html

The description says...

"Scale: 1:48. Georgian full hull model, with elements of Navy board style, of a sixth rate 12 gun sloop (circa 1720). The open frames have been painted onto a carved pine carcass hull below the waterline. The model is predominantly in the Georgian style in that the decks are partially planked and includes a variety of fittings, such as a brass bell mounted on the raised folksal deck, a brick faced fire hearth below decks with a brass chimney, bilge pumps, capston and ships wheel mounted against the quarter deck bulk head. The hull is fitted ten oar ports between the gun ports and also includes detailed painted decoration on the scroll figurehead, bulwark screens and stern counter The model depicts accommodation and storage below deck as well as carved and painted decoration at the bow and stern. The model is mounted on a pine base on top of an ornate keel block and four turned feet below."

It is dated "circa 1720"

HTH

Bruce

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11 hours ago, druxey said:

Open so that the tall rudderhead can pass through (which is unusual), but perhaps there is a rudder coat around to prevent water coming up or going down and a hinged lid on the aft part

Yes. That's the way I see it.

 

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2 hours ago, bruce d said:

Found this.

Enlarged.

 

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On a side note, can anyone identify the item forward of the tiller (photo above) that appears like a diagonal crest? Another oddity is the wheel almost against the bulkhead. How was it connected to the rudder? One would need to steer the wheel facing aft! Was this a later addition?

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Druxey, can't help with that item other than to say it looks like it may have been the footprint of something else that is now missing. 

Next up, and hopefully more helpful, is this one:

 

 

https://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66542.htmlf9213_004.jpg

 

SLR0581

Description Scale: 1:32. A contemporary full hull model of a merchant brig (circa 1795), built plank on solid wooden core in the Georgian style. Model is decked, equipped and fitted with three sliding keels as designed by Captain John Schanck. The model has a number of working parts including windlass, winches, doors, pump, and rudder, all of which aided the publicity of the sliding keels principal when Schank was trying to sell his idea to both the merchant and Royal navies. The idea worked on the principal that when the keels were lowered, it improved the vessels stability and sailing qualities. It also enabled the building of ships with a shallow draught allowing them to undertake passages in shallow waters or for survey work. At this scale, the model depicts a vessel measuring 72 feet along the deck by 19 feet in the beam and a tonnage of 100 burden. The modelmaking is of the highest quality and is though to be by the hand of Allen Hunt, a top quality craftsman whose patrons included the Duke of Northumberland and high ranking naval officers.
Date made circa 1795

 

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The small structure enclosing the tiller head addresses the general question and I am pretty sure the structures either side are pens/coops for chickens and whatever critters were carried. Considering the nature of these pens it is perfectly reasonable that they would not appear on plans.

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