Double mainstay rigging

[MESSIS]

How is a double mainstay rigged? The kit's instructions show a rigging that it doesn't looks like to be real! And the serving also doesnt look ok.

[JerseyCity Frankie]

Here’s some photos and my interpretation of what is going on......as you can see there are four elements visible forward of the mast. Your kit diagram shows only two.

Edited October 8, 2019 by JerseyCity Frankie

[MESSIS]

Thank you Frankie. But I have noticed that. And there are 2 questions to this arrangement of the replica: Is the replica according the original ship.... and ofcourse the answer is most likely to be yes... then the question follows, why the hearts are before the fore mast in such a high position and not after the fore mast, lower and nearer to the bowsprit? That I think would have look more similar to existing paintings of the that time.

Edited October 8, 2019 by MESSIS

[JerseyCity Frankie]

[MESSIS]

Ok....thanks

[MESSIS]

@JerseyCity Frankie Frankie I have proceed with the first of the two mainstays as per your clarification..

And as you see I have served all the rope attached to the bowsprit and not partially, as the instructions picture shows.on the contrary the rope attached to the main mast its served only at its upper end.

Thank you again

 

Christos

Edited October 9, 2019 by MESSIS

[MESSIS]

Double main stay it is.

Edited October 10, 2019 by MESSIS

[MESSIS]

What do you think Frankie? Should the two be in a more parallel place to each other. It came out to be  the one above the other instead.  Is that wrong?  Ofcourse this is the way the replica is rigged.

Edited October 10, 2019 by MESSIS

[MESSIS]

Still I was wrong! 

 

this is what I was told from a gentleman (Mr Gerard Delacroix) with good knowledge of the case:

 

The rigging of the "replica" of L'Hermione is false, the stay and the preventer-stay must pass on starboard of the foremast.
The hearts are in the lower part.
You have the example, among others, on the model of the Dédaigneuse, almost identical to L'Hermione in the museum of Rochefort.

 

...    ... it is a provision very common in many times of the French navy.
L'Hermione's "replica" was rigged by a Swedish rigger who was perhaps not aware of all the subtleties of French practices.

 

Gérard Delacroix (né le 10 avril 1956) est un chercheur en archéologie, auteur et éditeur français spécialisé dans l'architecture navale des XVII^e et XVIII^e siècles. Auteur de plusieurs monographies et articles, il est aussi conférencier et consultant

 

Edited October 11, 2019 by MESSIS

[JerseyCity Frankie]

I think it’s a case of English practice verses French practice. I HIGHLYdoubt the people behind the Hermione project could get their rigging wrong, everything on that ship is superb. The English practice was to have bothe stays on the Starboard side of the foremast and nearly all the ship modeling reference material available in English is based on British historical practice. I don’t know much about French practice because I’m only reading books in English. But the image from the painting I posted above is from a contemporary French painting.

[MESSIS]

@JerseyCity FrankieThere isnt much to say from my side. Mr Delacroix is a man that has worked over Hermione and has written  bibliography over the subject.

 

You are right it seems we are dealing with english vs french practise.

 

His explanation about how the replica is  at this point wrong,  is that the rigger was swedish and wasnt aware over this french practise  at the time.

 

Here is another picture he send to me.

 

"The same detail on a museum model that had an accident (L’Égyptienne launched in Toulon 1799):"

Edited October 11, 2019 by MESSIS

[MESSIS]

I do believe Mr Delacroix  is right. And here its my correction.... 4th dos and redos!

[chris watton]

8 minutes ago, MESSIS said:

I do believe Mr Delacroix  is right. And here its my correction.... 4th dos and redos!

I would say that is correct. What would be the point of a preventer stay if both were connected with the same rope!

[MESSIS]

@chris watton yes Chris... the question was (if you look up above on this page), the setup of the hearts before the foremast, as the sketch of Frankie, which is as the replica or as Mr Delacroix showed, which is having the hearts after the foremast, low near the bowsprit.

Edited October 11, 2019 by MESSIS

[G. Delacroix]

Of course the two methods existed and even others but for L'Hermione, a frigate, at that time and rigged at Rochefort, it is better to rig the stays in the way that I indicated.

 

GD

[JerseyCity Frankie]

[MESSIS]

It became a great conversation out of my humble ignorance. Thank all for participating sharing your precious knowledge ....

 

Christos