Matrim Posted November 7, 2019 Share #1 Posted November 7, 2019 Hi all, I am starting to consider re-starting my Amphion scratch build so am looking (again) at wood choices. For the frame (as that's what i will be on for the next eight gazillion years) I have the following options. The list is constrained by a particular supplier and the fact that I have decided I do not have the space to size wood myself so am buying planed to a size where by Byrnes can cope (so 'thin') White Beech Steamed Beech (above but pinkier/darker) American Cherry Canadian Hard Maple Western Red Cedar I started with American Cherry so may just keep with that but thought I may look around at some other low grain options. Any opinions on suitability will be gladly welcomed.. mtaylor 1 Quote ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted November 7, 2019 Share #2 Posted November 7, 2019 Hello Matrim, I have used beech, steamed I think, and it's a lovely wood to work but can be a bit splintery, on my Triton hull I'm using yellow cedar I've sourced from Balsacabin.co.uk. That said I really like the look of cherry. That's my thoughts for you. Cheers Mark P and mtaylor 2 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted November 7, 2019 Share #3 Posted November 7, 2019 Is lime still an option in the U.K.? mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Posted November 7, 2019 Author Share #4 Posted November 7, 2019 It is (from this supplier) - I always thought that was too soft for decent frame building? Hence why I ignored tulipwood as well. The list I am picking from can be seen here. https://www.woodshopdirect.co.uk/planed-all-round/ I am ignoring most of the African wood due to toxicity issues.. mtaylor 1 Quote ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted November 7, 2019 Share #5 Posted November 7, 2019 The white beech or steamed beech looks the best in my opinion. mtaylor and Matrim 2 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce d Posted November 7, 2019 Share #6 Posted November 7, 2019 May I suggest looking at this place as well? http://www.exotichardwoods.co.uk/ They are helpful and have more wood that is not in the catalogue. Matrim, Mark P and mtaylor 3 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted November 8, 2019 Share #7 Posted November 8, 2019 Wow, Bruce !! Boxwood! logs though - likely not too large- Unless it is possible to access a band saw 14" or large - processing it will involve frustration and agony - would not consider it for framing but grabbing a serious supply for use as blocks, catheads, davits, bitts , belfreys, is worth considering. The Pear though - if it is quality and is 4x4 or 8x4 and the price is reasonable - back up a truck and fill it. Matrim, I would score everything on your list as an excellent choice but the Red Cedar. I have no experience with it. Beech seems similar to Hard Maple but a tad darker. Hard Maple and Black Cherry are my choices for framing. They are domestic species for me and easy to get. Basswood is way too soft and iffy about holding a sharp edge to me. Lime is the same genus but a bit harder - enough harder, I seriously question. Yellow Poplar is similar in hardness, but it works as though it were a lot harder. It will hold a sharp edge. The stock that I have gotten is excellent for framing - if you totally plank over it. The color range in a single board can go from tan to green to a color that looks like creosote treated Pine - ugly brown. Good looks ain't its thing. POF uses a lot of wood. A frigate @ 1:48 - you are looking at maybe 10-20 BF. More if you cut your frames from stock that is glued into a "U" and cement the frame pattern to it, a lot more. The volume of wood used for everything but framing is reasonable enough to make using imported species worth considering. For framing, it makes for a more reasonable budget outlay the use species that are domestic where you live. While good Apple is king, it is a bear to obtain. Your Pear - Pyrus communis - steamed (Swiss) or not comes in a close second. I love Black Cherry, but Pear is better. The hard species of Maple domestic for you is Sycamore maple, European sycamore Acer pseudoplatanus. It is probably close enough in hardness to make not worth paying a premium for imported Acer saccharum. Because Underhill praised Sycamore Naple, but called it Sycamore, I bought a supply of our Sycamore - American Plane Platanus occidentalis . A more awful species would take work to find. well maybe Siberian Elm or Lombardy Poplar. bruce d, mtaylor, Matrim and 1 other 4 Quote NRG member 45 years Current: HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 ship - timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted November 8, 2019 Share #8 Posted November 8, 2019 In U.K. you should find pear (unsteamed). That is a nice to work. Matrim and mtaylor 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Posted November 8, 2019 Author Share #9 Posted November 8, 2019 Thanks all. exotichardwoods also seem to have wood my table saw can cut (blanks for guitars from the looks of things). The pear is steamed though so I am enquiring as to whether they are the ones steaming. Otherwise beech/american cherry will be the way to go. mtaylor 1 Quote ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavalcanti21 Posted November 24, 2019 Share #10 Posted November 24, 2019 Is still In option mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerarddm Posted January 2, 2020 Share #11 Posted January 2, 2020 Avoid Western Red Cedar like the plague. Very soft, splintery, and the dust from it is quite toxic. I use Beech often in my art boxes and I like it very much. Cuts well, holds an edge. Minimal appearing grain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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