Jylland by kruginmi - Billings Boats - 1:100

[Keith Black]

 Very nice, Mark. Lovely work. 

[kruginmi]

Thanks Keith, appreciate it.

 

Using a dowel, I created a pseudo mast to replicate the masthead height for all three masts.  This allows me to verify the width of the chain plates as well as the location of the shrouds themselves.  Quick easy tool that has loads of benefits.

You can also see I have created (and attached) all of the 6 chainplates.  Ended up using 1/16" Basswood keyed into the hull.

Pretty darn strong this way - just hope I do not snap any of these off between now and the end of the build.  Additionally allows pretty precise placement (over and over again until glued).  I still have the platform for the port of entry to do, then on to the vertical wood beams between gun ports.

Mark

Edited May 21, 2023 by kruginmi
Added note for precision of placement

[kruginmi]

Got the entry port cut out and the platform inserted.  Was moving on to the external vertical posts between some main gunports.  When comparing to the actual pics I noticed something.....

 

I had put on the chain plates even with the deck beams (in this case the false deck).  Never thought a second about it. But....as I looked at the ship pics the positioning was different as defined between the upper and lower ports.  Moving the chain plates up a 1/16" (equal with the decking) made things a whole lot more consistent.  Bummer.  The CPs are totally locked in, glued and looking perfect.  Given the rest of the kit is a 'representation' with several issues all around I am thinking of leaving things as is.  My Uncle isn't getting any younger.

BTW:  There will a leading trim piece added to each long edge of the chain plates once the actual chains are added (to capture them).  So much more tidy than trying to drill holes and insert them.

 

Any thoughts?
Mark

[kruginmi]

Even as I sit here, my eye is twitching and I just have to keep staring at the issue.  Must not grab knife......

Edited May 23, 2023 by kruginmi

[kruginmi]

There must be a hotline available to call for help in such times (haha)

 

Spent this evening and......raised the chain plates up a 1/16".  All is right in the world again.  Made a world of difference in this 1/100 scale model.

One of the deciding points was that since it will be veneer planked, I could easily wood fill any scars and sand smooth.  

Okay note to self:  don't do that again.  

Stay Building My Friends, Mark

[wefalck]

I am looking not too often into the section on kit-projects, mainly because the subjects are not so much of interest to me - my interest focuses mainly on mid- to later 19th century subjects. This includes mixed sail/steam naval vessels.

 

It may be a bit late in the game, but over the years I have collected quite a bit of information on JYLLAND, simply because a lot of information is available on her. Here is, what I think, a pretty comprehensive list of literature on her (a B denotes that this is a book, an E means that it is available on the WWW in digital form)

 

B - FELDTHUSEN, P.A., JEPPESEN, A. (1944): Fregatten Jylland i Krig og Fred.- 175 p., København (Gyldendalske Boghandel).

 

E - Frantzen, O.L. (1980): Fregatten Jyllands Artilleri.- Marinehistorisk Tidskrift, 13(3): 7-25, København (Marinehistorisk Selskab). 

 

B - HAMMER KJØLSEN, F. (1962): Fregatten Fortæller til Orlogs med Jylland for 100 Aar siden.- 155 p., København (Nationalmuseet/Rhodos).

 

B - KURE, B. (1995): Historien om fregatten Jylland.- 107 p.København (Høst & Son).

 

E - Steen Steensen, R. (1961): Fregatten Jylland.- Marinehistorisk Selskab skrift nr. 9: 59 p., København (Nationalmuseet).

 

As you will at some stage get to the artillery, here are some references to Danish artillery. I only listed those Danish sources that might be relevant to her main active period:

 

E - Andersen, P. (1909): Bidrag til Sjøartilleriets Historie. Udgivet med Understøttelse af Marineministeriet.- 189 p., Kjøbenhavn.

 

E - Anonym (1864): Oversigt over Udrustningerne fra November 1863 til November 1864.- Tidsskrift for Søvæsen: 345-374, Kjøbenhavn.

 

E - Anonym (1871): For- eller Bagladekanoner til Skibsbrug?.- Tidsskrift for Søvæsen, Ny Række, 6: 187-193, Kjøbenhavn.

 

B - ANONYM (1873): Haandbog for Sø-Artilleri-Exercerskolens Elever.- p., København ().

 

E - Blom, O. (1864): Om Flaadens Bevæbning.- Tidsskrift for Søvæsen: 306-339 / 401-430, Kjøbenhavn.

 

E - Blom, O. (1869): Flaadens Riffelkanoner.- Tidsskrift for Søvæsen, Ny Række, 4: 230-244 / 301-319, Kjøbenhavn.

 

E - Frantzen, O.L. (1980): Fregatten Jyllands Artilleri.- Marinehistorisk Tidskrift, 13(3): 7-25, København (Marinehistorisk Selskab). 

 

B - Frantzen, O.L., Mortensen, M.H., Probst, N.M., Thiede, S.E. (1999): Dansk søartilleri 1400-2000.- 64 p., København (Tøjhusmuseet).

 

E - Jessen, T. (1876): De riflede Kanoners Udvikling i vor Flaade.- Tidsskrift for Søvæsen, Ny Række, 11: 193-, Kjøbenhavn.

 

E - Tuxen, N.E. (1861): De nyere Krigsskibes Artilleri og Skibenes Blendering.- Tidsskrift for Søvæsen: 81-112, Kjøbenhavn.

 

And finally, here is a list of the drawings on JYLLAND and her sister ship NIELS JUEL in the Danish archives (sorry, some of the explanations are in German - I did not have the time to translate them):

 

B-240 NIELS JUEL.jpeg

G-1859-01 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1860-03 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1861-05 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1862-07 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1863-09 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1864-11 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1865-13 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1866-15 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1867-18 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1868-20 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1869-22 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1870-25 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1871-27 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1872-29 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1873-31 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1874-33 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1875-35 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1876-02 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1877-04 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1878-06 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1879-08 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1880-10 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1881-12 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1882-14 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1883-16 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1884-19 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1885-21 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1886-23 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1887-25 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1888-27 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1889-29 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1890-31 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1892-02 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1893-05 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1894-07 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1895-09 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1896-01 NIELS JUEL - JYLLAND.jpeg

G-1928-09 NIELS JUEL.jpeg

G-1929-11 NIELS JUEL.jpeg

G-2196-01 JYLLAND Artillerie.jpeg

G-2337-01 JYLLAND Faalreep.jpeg

G-2436-05 NIELS JUEL Finkennetze.jpeg

G-3053-03 NIELS JUEL.jpeg

G-3054-05 NIELS JUEL.jpeg

G-3055-07 NIELS JUEL.jpeg

G-3060-01 JYLLAND.jpeg

G-3062-01 JYLLAND.jpeg

G-3452-08 NIELS JUEL als Wohnschiff.jpeg

G-3453-10 NIELS JUEL als Wohnschiff.jpeg

G-3454-12 NIELS JUEL als Wohnschiff.jpeg

G-3455-14 NIELS JUEL als Wohnschiff.jpeg

G-4669-71 NIELS JUEL Küche.jpeg

G-4705-03 JYLLAND Küche.jpeg

G-4882-05 NIELS JUEL (1855) Großmast.jpeg

G-4883-07 NIELS JUEL (1855) Mastdoppelungen.jpeg

G-4884-09 NIELS JUEL (1855) Marsen.jpeg

G-4885-11 NIELS JUEL (1855) Großmast.jpeg

G-4886-13 NIELS JUEL (1855) Salinge.jpeg

G-4889-19 NIELS JUEL (1855) Großmast.jpeg

G-4890-21 NIELS JUEL (1855) Schloß Großmarsstenge.jpeg

G-4892-25 JYLLAND (1860) Masten.jpeg

G-4893-27 JYLLAND (1860) Bugspriet, Baum, Gaffel.jpeg

G-4894-29 JYLLAND (1860) Stengen.jpeg

G-4895-31 JYLLAND (1860) Unterrahen.jpeg

G-4896-33 JYLLAND (1860) Brahmrahen.jpeg

G-4897-35 JYLLAND (1860) Doppelungen, Marsen.jpeg

G-4898-37 JYLLAND (1860) Brahmrahen, Leesegelspieren.jpeg

G-4899-39 JYLLAND (1860) Doppelungen, Salinge.jpeg

G-4900-41 JYLLAND (1860) Marsen, Salinge.jpeg

G-4912-03 NIELS JUEL (1856) Stengen.jpeg

G-4978-05 NIELS JUEL (1856) Heck- und Seitendavits.jpeg

G-4979-07 JYLLAND (1860) Seitendavits.jpeg

G-5175-59 NIELS JUEL (1856) Ruderanlage.jpeg

G-5288-03 NIELS JUEL (1856) Brown & Lenox Patentspill.jpeg

 

Hope this information will be of some use in your further endeavours.

 

 

[kruginmi]

Wow, Wefalck, that is quite a list.  Definitely shows some research and comprehensive look at the subject.

 

My ship is a 3-fer:  Stand 3 feet away and squint and you should be able to say what it is (haha).  Being a (raw) kit from the early 70's (I believe) there was a whole host of issues to tackle.  Being made for my Uncle who bought it originally, I am straddling a wide gap.  Started with insufficient information, with drawings that were not to scale and differed from the images I found on the net I am trying to make a presentable model without binning the whole thing.  

 

Appreciate the comment - that is for sure.  Any help or guidance on the direction I am taking is always looked for.

Mark

[kruginmi]

Finally added the mysterious vertical pieces of lumber (7 per side) located between main gun ports.  The adjustment of the chain plates sure came in handy.  I did some adjusting on positioning - focusing on the location between gun ports.  These ports do not 'exactly' correspond with what is seen on the ship so keep that in mind.  Visually they look correct (the 3 foot test).  The hull has had some manipulations into its current form.

Almost set to begin the 2nd layer planking.

Mark

[Keith Black]

2 hours ago, kruginmi said:

the mysterious vertical pieces of lumber (7 per side) located between main gun ports.

 Mark, could those be rubbing strakes? 

[wefalck]

Mark, I appreciate the circumstances under which you are creating this model. There are, however, a lot of free on-line resources that may help answer your questions, but that are not so easy to find using Google, if you don't know what to look for.

 

The above drawings from the navy-yard in Copenhagen are completely free and downloadable: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/other/index-creator/40/3353816/17149179.

 

I didn't have the time to go through the drawings, but there may be one of them that answers your question about these misterious seven features.

 

There are also water-colours for the bow- and stern-decorations.

[kruginmi]

Okay - you had me with the water-colours for the bow and stern LOL.  The decals supplied being over 50 years old leaves little doubt to their usefulness.  I will take a look hopefully this weekend.

 

Keith- I do not believe rubbing strakes per se.  My best guess at this point (looking at everything else) is that this may have been an artifact of it being dry docked and for the initial shoring (before it was finalized).  Just my gut.

Mark

Edited May 26, 2023 by kruginmi

[kruginmi]

Do you ever have that recurring nightmare that a water line will burst directly over your workshop?  Good one.

 

Well, it happened.  Right now in the middle of cleaning it up.  Could have been worse.  The ships were saved, some of my other endeavors - not so much.  Food pantry significantly hit as well.

Needed to clean that place up anyway.....   🙂

[Keith Black]

 Mark, so sorry to hear about the water leak but thankful your ships were saved. Strange to have a pipe burst this time of year, that usually happens in winter when it's an even worse mess to deal with. 

[kruginmi]

A bit of clarification (and last):  Contractor working upstairs slit water softener drain line.  So....40-50 gallons per minutes pumped at 4:30 AM.  I found out at 6:30 AM.   Home still filled with fans / dehumidifiers / other.  Another day or so and I can start the rebuild process.

 

Veterans Remembrance Day in the US today.  My hats off to all who have served (US or any country) and especially thoughts to those who gave their lives.

Mark  (former 1LT, US Army)

[Keith Black]

 Thank you for your service, Mark.  From a former Marine. 

Edited May 29, 2023 by Keith Black

[kruginmi]

Dragged the ship upstairs, at least do something.  Need to work out the positioning of the 4 stern windows.  I started by creating a smooth line from the lower gunports, which provides the top and bottom line of the lower windows.

 

For a reference point I used the decal.  I taped where I thought it should be and poked holes through the window corners into the wood.  My intention is to carve into the wood and inset the frames (not use the decals).

Didn't look half bad (especially at the 3 foot mark haha) but did some tweeking.  Arrived at what I thought was a good position.  Still need to make the upper windows less wide but will think on that.  Lower ones same size as gun ports.

Decal already started falling apart, but that is a battle for another day on how to replace.

Mark

[wefalck]

That's the original design in the Danish Rigsarkivet (archive no. G-3060-01):

I didn't check against photographs what she looks like today though.

 

[Ferrus Manus]

On 5/29/2023 at 11:08 AM, Keith Black said:

From a former Marine. 

You as well, Keith. 

[kruginmi]

Wefalck - really fighting the hand dealt me here.  The kit stern is very different from the one you highlight.  This is my first cut and then ponder on kit/reality to make the best adjustments I can.  I do appreciate the input.

 

The lower windows are locked in (bottom wise) to the line of the gunports so that is one fixed point - but I can force the swoop up a bit to allow more room for the JYLLAND name as well a provide a better profile.  The size of the decoration roundly defines the second (swoop of lower garland).  Will probably be replacing the decoration so I can 'adjust' there a bit.  Definitely thinking higher and smaller but within constraint.

 

The real ship pics reflect an in between view also.

 

Mark

Edited May 31, 2023 by kruginmi

[wefalck]

I have the feeling that the decal should have been placed higher. The windows/gun-ports would need to correspond with the deck levels. Below is the inboard profile of JYLLAND (archive no. G-1864-11) that gives you an idea of the deck-levels. The windows are marked in the profile by dark grey washes:

Edited May 31, 2023 by wefalck

[kruginmi]

Yep, put aside the decal and did some relative measuring off of the real ship pics.  Looks a whole lot better.  Still going to let it sit a bit.

Mark

[Steggen]

Mark,

 

her is a couple of pictures that hopefully will clarify how the stern looks. Wefalck´s plans in post #107 shows the stern as it was drawn and build in 1860 while the kit represents Jylland as she is today. In 1874 she was rebuild to take the Danish king to Iceland. This included raising the aft deck to make accommodations for the king. Fit for a king it even included a water closet.

[wefalck]

Indeed, I thought it looked a bit high ... I actually collected information pertaining to her original functioning as an active warship.

[kruginmi]

Alright after a bit of a hiatus I am back.  More importantly, as of last Monday I am now retired (and the peasants rejoiced).  Bit of a crazy few months but that is all behind me.  I have time, I have the motivation and I still have the ship.  The Jylland has been dusted off, some minor repairs to the hull planking (gaps) fixed up.  Lots of things on my daily list but progress will be made.

 

Looking at getting the stern set to rights window wise then right into the upper faux planking.

 

- Mark
Stay building my Friends

[robdurant]

Congratulations on your retirement. It's great to see progress on this model being made, and I hope you find great joy as you adjust to this new season of life.

[ccoyle]

31 minutes ago, kruginmi said:

I am now retired

 

**sigh** I can dream.

[Keith Black]

 Congratulations, Mark. Good to see you back working on the Jylland. in about six months you'll wonder how you ever had the time to hold down a full time job.  

Edited January 11 by Keith Black

[Steggen]

Good to see you are back at the workbench, I was a bit worried you had given up on Jylland.

 

Anders