Spanish Galleon 1607 by Ferrus Manus - FINISHED - Imai - 1/100 - with modified rigging

[kirill4]

this is certainly immodest ... but maybe something will come in handy from my experience  armed mezzanines

... for dyeing threads ... I once spoke about wonderful American paints and stains from folk arts ... and you use them as I see ... there are no difficulties with them and dye the threads after installing the rigging  and drying CA... I dilute the stains of this company with water immediately on the brush and paint over the threads at the installation site.,.  they lay down perfectly... if the intensity is not enough, I paint over again... it is better to start painting over with highly diluted stains and add intensity as needed,,,

Edited July 4, 2023 by kirill4

[Ferrus Manus]

Next build will be of a viking ship. That will be my playground to try out all your tips and tricks. 

[Ferrus Manus]

Please, stick around. I really want you to stay. You're a good friend, and an even better mentor. Even with the language barrier.

[Ferrus Manus]

Here we go. I would like to bring something to your attention. In period artworks featuring galleons, oftentimes the lateen sail at the aft is allowed to billow out and rub against the shrouds, and is also lowered about halfway instead of being raised to the top. 

 

[Ferrus Manus]

Therefore, i propose something like this for the bonaventure sail:

Would that work, or should i haul it all the way up like the mizzen? 

[72Nova]

Personally I'd raise it if you want the sail set, in this position it looks ready to be furled. The pictures really do not show it being that low plus the aft end is raked upwards quite a bit. Just my .02 and the model is looking good!

 

Michael D.

[kirill4]

Good day,

I agree with Michael opinion posted in #156

[Isaiah]

Hello,

 

not that I know what I’m saying but I don’t know about the sail dragging on the deck. Seems like

it’s in the way? 🤷‍♂️

 

At least that’s what I can see, please correct me if it’s not.

Edited July 6, 2023 by Isaiah

[Ferrus Manus]

We already decided against that. The sail does not drag on the deck in that position, but that doesn't really matter as we collectively came to the conclusion that the sail will be properly set. 

 

Edit: upon looking at the pictures, it might actually drag on the deck. 

Edited July 6, 2023 by Ferrus Manus

[Ferrus Manus]

Part of it is just the fact that that was just where the sail was sitting completely without reinforcement, just gravity. 

[Ferrus Manus]

The bonaventure lateen sail is decently well on its way toward completion. 

However, one challenge has presented itself, that being how i am supposed to stick a long flagpole onto the stern of the ship on the starboard side. I have decided i would like to have it on the starboard side because of the way the wind is blowing. I would like the flag to be able to fly unopposed by the bonaventure sail or any of its rigging. 

On many of these paintings, the ship in question has an almost comically large stern flagpole, flying an equally large flag. However, these ships are very different to my vessel in one major way: They do not have bonaventure masts or sails. This is very important. The aft bulkhead on a four-masted galleon is an extremely crowded place, much more so than on a three-master. Thus, one must choose where the flag is to be flown at the stern. The crew must have actively transitioned the flag from port to starboard and vice versa, depending on the tack of the ship. Flying it in the center of the bulkhead would mean it would run seriously afoul of the bonaventure lateen's sheet. 

 

This problem did not present itself in Kirill's build owing to the fact that his ship's bonaventure sail was not tacked in any considerable way; mine is. I will have to figure out how long of a flagpole i can have without the flagpole truck fouling the top of the bonaventure lateen. 

Edited July 7, 2023 by Ferrus Manus

[Ferrus Manus]

I tried Kirill's CA glue trick, and look at the difference! Clap all you want.

[kirill4]

6 hours ago, Ferrus Manus said:

The bonaventure lateen sail is decently well on its way toward completion. 

However, one challenge has presented itself, that being how i am supposed to stick a long flagpole onto the stern of the ship on the starboard side. I have decided i would like to have it on the starboard side because of the way the wind is blowing. I would like the flag to be able to fly unopposed by the bonaventure sail or any of its rigging. 

On many of these paintings, the ship in question has an almost comically large stern flagpole, flying an equally large flag. However, these ships are very different to my vessel in one major way: They do not have bonaventure masts or sails. This is very important. The aft bulkhead on a four-masted galleon is an extremely crowded place, much more so than on a three-master. Thus, one must choose where the flag is to be flown at the stern. The crew must have actively transitioned the flag from port to starboard and vice versa, depending on the tack of the ship. Flying it in the center of the bulkhead would mean it would run seriously afoul of the bonaventure lateen's sheet. 

 

This problem did not present itself in Kirill's build owing to the fact that his ship's bonaventure sail was not tacked in any considerable way; mine is. I will have to figure out how long of a flagpole i can have without the flagpole truck fouling the top of the bonaventure lateen. 

Greetings, Mikhail, my idea was that the bonaventure sail and the flagpole were not armed at the same time ... therefore they practically did not interfere with each other in reality ... on my model the sails are shown without reference to any plot, therefore the stern flag  and bonaventure are present at the same time ... I did not place the flagpole of the stern flag in the diametrical plane - I was guided by one of the old engravings, this position makes it possible to show both the flag and the rigging of the bonaventure - its sheets and outrigger

Edited July 8, 2023 by kirill4

[Ferrus Manus]

@kirill4 i found a way to rig the flagpole. However, there are not many sources for 4-masted galleons, so both ideas are likely equally plausible. Thanks for the CA glue trick!! 

[kirill4]

Although there are images where the aft flagpole seems to be installed both aft in the diametral plane and in the presence of a bonaventure ... but on the Elizabeth Jonas model, for example, it is shifted to the port side

[Ferrus Manus]

This is what i came up with: 

The flagpole is not glued in yet. 

(The martnets are supposed to be slack lines, so don't execute me for not gluing them)

[Ferrus Manus]

The flagpole is sitting in the corner nearest the camera, by the way.

[Ferrus Manus]

Found this when researching the Elizabeth Jonas, wonder whose model that is? 

[kirill4]

Although there are images where the aft flagpole seems to be installed both aft in the diametral plane and in the presence of a bonaventure ... but on the Elizabeth Jonas model, for example, it is shifted to the port side

[kirill4]

if you paint the threads well before installation - use artistic oil paints diluted in teak oil, for example ... let them dry well under load, then they become like a soft wire and hold the desired shape well - and straight lines and imitation of sagging under gravity ..  .if unpainted threads are installed, they behave unpredictably ... they spring, bend in the wrong direction and create other difficulties .... part of the thread passing through the block can be carefully lubricated with a microdroplet of CAgel and pulled and pressed down, thus creating an imitation of bending  pulley block with a cable under the influence of force on the caeate or gravity ...

[Ferrus Manus]

I would do that, yes. However, i think it is too late for that, unfortunately. Painting the thread going forward would make it look much different than the other thread on the model, which would make the model look ugly and unorganized. However, when i end up doing my next model, all the lines on the ship will be painted with Folk Art Antiquing Medium. 

[Ferrus Manus]

I think it's probably time to glue the flagpole in, which would conclude the work on the back of the ship, for now. 

[Ferrus Manus]

On the fighting tops, should i use timber heads like i have elsewhere on the model, or should i use cleats? 

[Baker]

freely of your choice.
After research I decided not to put a flagpole.
Most drawings and especially sketches of ships from this era were made years later and are not really representative.
Of course, free choice, if you do put one on it. No one can say you are wrong 😉

 

[Ferrus Manus]

It would be much easier for me to fabricate timber heads and just use cleats for things like parrel lines and bowlines. 

[Ferrus Manus]

I choose to incorporate the flagpole. Hendrick Cornelisz Vroom painted from about 1580 to his death in 1640, and many of his paintings are almost perfectly contemporary. He frequently included flagpoles, such as on this Dutch ship: 

[kirill4]

folkarts are excellent paints, but this is not quite what you need for dyeing threads ... I really used acrylic artistic paints mixed with varnish on my model ... but in the end I came to the conclusion that it is better than dyeing threads or finished ropes in a mixture of artistic  there are no oil paints and oil in white spirit solution... acrylic does not hold well on threads... I pulled it through the block several times and the paint starts to crumble, peel off, and then tint again - that is still a thankless task... I plan to use it on my next model  only the aforementioned mixture of artistic oil paints, oil and white spirit ... this composition was looked after by the great master Dmitry Shevelev  -https://www.shipmodeling.ru/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=71037&p=386214&hilit=умбра+ленинградская#p386214

 

https://www.shipmodeling.ru/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=65

 

for coloring white threads with artistic oil paints, you can dilute the composition in half a liter container, for example - a tube of paint is mixed with liquid oil - teak, for example  (you can add more white spirit - to make the composition more liquid) Natural umber is used for standing rigging.  On running, ocher is added to this paint.
 It is dyed by pulling a thread through a can or a poured puddle of paint.  Then the thread is pulled several times through the cotton glove and hung out to dry.  Can be used in a day.

Edited July 8, 2023 by kirill4

[Ferrus Manus]

I have actually done that before. Most of the medium sized white thread has actually been dyed grey with this method. The lines behave better as well once they have been painted.

[Ferrus Manus]

Next up on the radar for the build will be the fore topsail, which i have everything set up for. 

[Ferrus Manus]

This is the finished aft: