Lindberg Jolly Roger -- Can you send a ship back in time?

[Dan DSilva]

Hello there,

 

This may be a long shot, but I'd like to know if you think it's worth considering from the start.  How feasible would it be to convert a Lindberg Jolly Roger (based on a 1750s frigate class) into a ship from the turn of the 1700s?  Judging by period paintings, the main differences that stick out for me are the earlier ships usually had a poop deck, and correspondingly higher bulwarks and a taller, more squared transom, a few gunports and sometimes a row of oar ports on the lower deck, a lateen sail on the mizzenmast, and a sprit topmast.  But I wouldn't be surprised if there were things I'm missing, especially in the smaller details and perhaps the shape of the hull in 3D, and perhaps some of these things would rule out the idea entirely.

[ccoyle]

That's a pretty long list of modifications, considering you'd be starting with a mediocre plastic kit in the first place. A complete scratch build might be easier.

[GrandpaPhil]

The oar ports are typical of a galleass.

 

What exactly are you trying to build?

 

Have you checked out Ancre’s website?

 

They have the monographs to a wide variety of subjects, including a frigate from 1697:

 

https://ancre.fr/en/monograph/23-monographie-fregate-legere-l-aurore-1697.html#/langue-anglais

 

You might also check out Cornwall Model Boats and Ages of Sails.  They have a wide variety of kits and plans.

 

I have ordered from both before with great success.

[Dan DSilva]

8 hours ago, GrandpaPhil said:

What exactly are you trying to build?

 

A fourth- or fifth-rater, a medium to large frigate basically.  I haven't found an exact ship to base it on but I'm sort of triangulating the look from the Charles Galley, the Advice Prize, etc.  The Aurore also looks like it would be helpful.

 

The turn of the 18th century seems to be underrepresented in kits.  I'll take a look around Cornwall Model Boats and Ages of Sail today and see if anything turns up.

 

Scratchbuilding any ship with a covered gun deck is kind of beyond what I have the skill or time for right now, but I may be able to give it a try in the future.

 

Thank you.

[popeye the sailor]

I built the model........not an easy one with all it's short comings.  the closest ship that can be derived from it is the Le Flore.   I'm sure you'll find what your looking for with enough research  

[NoelSmith]

The kit was originally issued as La Flore, French Frigate.

Check out the stern mouldings for the name. Lindberg would probably not have removed it.

 

Their Wappen Von Hamburg I think was also re released as a pirate ship too.

[Trashpanda]

I'm currently turning the Lindberg Wappen Von Hamburg, now being marketed as "Captain Kidd", into an English galley frigate, as an imagining of Kidd's Adventure galley (1692).

I've built the "Jolly Roger" (La Flore), and considered it for my present project, and while the hull proportions are closer to a late 17th-early 18th century galley-frigates, it looked like more work to arrive at the overall look I'm going for by starting with that kit.