Admiral Beez Posted November 26, 2023 Share #1 Posted November 26, 2023 (edited) I’m building a plastic kit, Heller’s Le Superbe. Before I permanently install the masts, shouldn’t there be a gasket or seal to close up the large holes in the deck around the masts. I understand that the hole was supposed to be bigger to allow for flex and rake changes, but we can’t have the water flowing in. What do we recommend? Online HMS Victory and Trincomalee appear to have a seal of some sort around the base of the masts. Thanks for any guidance or info. Edited November 27, 2023 by Admiral Beez mtaylor and bruce d 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution allanyed Posted November 26, 2023 Solution Share #2 Posted November 26, 2023 (edited) There were wooden wedges between the mast and the partners. These were then often covered with canvas so you can just add a painted ring before you set the masts. Below is a sketch of a wedge ring that is actually just the ring and without the wedges going down and through the partners. They can be glued on top of the partners (or planking) as is. In reality the planking ends at the partners but this does not look possible on your model. The second picture is from Goodwin's The Construction and Fitting of English Ships of War. Allan Edited November 26, 2023 by allanyed Admiral Beez, mtaylor, bruce d and 1 other 3 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Beez Posted November 26, 2023 Author Share #3 Posted November 26, 2023 (edited) Thanks @allanyed. This is a great help. I shall cut out some circles from card stock and paint them black to serve as the canvas ring. Question, should my canvas reach up the mast, like on HMS Victory below? I like this image. The Type 45 destroyer in the background is just slightly shorter than an Invincible class battlecruiser. Edited November 27, 2023 by Admiral Beez mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted November 27, 2023 Share #4 Posted November 27, 2023 14 hours ago, Admiral Beez said: Question, should my canvas reach up the mast, like on HMS Victory below? I am not sure it really matters as it could have been done that way. In general I would not use the modern Victory for examples without looking at contemporary evidence to confirm. Below is what is more common on contemporary models. This pic happens to be of a model at Preble Hall. Allan Admiral Beez, mtaylor and bruce d 2 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Beez Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share #5 Posted November 27, 2023 I'll go to the hardware shop and buy some fiber washers to mimic the mast seals. Chuck Seiler and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted November 27, 2023 Share #6 Posted November 27, 2023 I don't think the canvas back in the day was painted. I could be wrong. I plan to use light khaki coloured paper, like the kind used for packing by Amazon. Dry fit and trim. Glue on one surface with white PVA so it dries clear and wrap it around with the seam facing aft. If you like add pencil dots to simulate nail heads the next day, after everything is completely dry. Should look gorgeous. If not, dabs of water will help soften the glue to remove it. Mark P and bruce d 2 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted November 28, 2023 Share #7 Posted November 28, 2023 3 hours ago, AON said: I don't think the canvas back in the day was painted. Good point Alan. I was taught that it was painted/coated but do not recall where I got that information. I checked in Goodwin's Construction and Fitting of English Ships of War and he states that the canvas was coated with tar, not paint, to make it waterproof. Unfortunately he does not give a reference and I cannot find any other reference regarding this cover so even though he is a single source, it may be valid. I do notice that on contemporary models the cover is very dark compared to canvas. Allan AON and mtaylor 1 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted November 28, 2023 Share #8 Posted November 28, 2023 Lord knows they had lots of tar. mtaylor and allanyed 2 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye2sea Posted November 28, 2023 Share #9 Posted November 28, 2023 Falconers Dictionary of the Marine states mast coats are heavily tarred. Regards, Henry mtaylor, cotrecerf and AON 2 1 Quote Henry Laissez le bon temps rouler ! Current Build: Le Soleil Royal Completed Build: Amerigo Vespucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted November 28, 2023 Share #10 Posted November 28, 2023 I'll make a note of that. Thanks Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Beez Posted December 25, 2023 Author Share #11 Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) On 11/26/2023 at 2:42 PM, allanyed said: There were wooden wedges between the mast and the partners. These were then often covered with canvas so you can just add a painted ring before you set the masts. Below is a sketch of a wedge ring that is actually just the ring and without the wedges going down and through the partners. They can be glued on top of the partners (or planking) as is. In reality the planking ends at the partners but this does not look possible on your model. The second picture is from Goodwin's The Construction and Fitting of English Ships of War. Allan Thanks again Allan. I used some fibre washers and I’m pleased with the results. Edited December 27, 2023 by Admiral Beez allanyed, mtaylor and AON 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted December 26, 2023 Share #12 Posted December 26, 2023 That looks really good. Could you please post a closer view of one. mtaylor 1 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Beez Posted December 27, 2023 Author Share #13 Posted December 27, 2023 (edited) On 12/26/2023 at 9:22 AM, AON said: That looks really good. Could you please post a closer view of one. Will do today. I'm also keeping a photo journal of the entire build.... https://modelshipworld.com/topic/30073-hms-spartiate-by-admiral-beez-heller-1150-kit-bashing-the-heller-le-superbe/ Edited December 27, 2023 by Admiral Beez mtaylor and AON 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Beez Posted December 27, 2023 Author Share #14 Posted December 27, 2023 (edited) @AON Here we go…. I usually reduce my displayed images to 700 pixels in order not to crowd people’s screens and not to delay page load speed, but if you click on the photos they’ll open to full size. Edited December 27, 2023 by Admiral Beez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted December 27, 2023 Share #15 Posted December 27, 2023 (edited) Thank you! That looks like it was made for just that purpose. How could you get so lucky?!? Edited December 27, 2023 by AON mtaylor and Admiral Beez 2 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Beez Posted December 27, 2023 Author Share #16 Posted December 27, 2023 (edited) 52 minutes ago, AON said: Thank you! That looks like it was made for just that purpose. How could you get so lucky?!? Here's the set https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B092V33YX3 Edited December 27, 2023 by Admiral Beez AON and mtaylor 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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