Pavel Nikitin Rope?

[palmerit]

Has anyone used Pavel Nikitin Rope? I see that it's on deep discount at Model Expo. I was thinking of maybe getting some to replace the rope that comes with a couple of my Model Shipways / Midwest Products model kits.

 

I saw that for the Midwest Dory kit I have that it lists on the parts list rope as:

#6 x 3 feet

#24 x 1 foot

 

What does #6 and #24 translate into in terms of inches or mm when it comes to rope? I thought maybe it was like machinists measurements, but a #6 would be 5.1816mm and I'm pretty sure there wasn't a rope in the kit that thick (I'm at work, not at home, so maybe I'm wrong). Any ideas? 

[Chuck Seiler]

When I made the Pavel Nikitin "JOHN SMITH SHALLOP", I replaced the line with after market line.  Two GREAT sources are SYREN SHIPMODEL COMPANY and ROPES OF SCALE.  Both are MSW sponsors.

 

ROS offers synthetic and cotton line while SYREN only has synthetic.  Both are good.

 

 

 

[Snug Harbor Johnny]

  'Could be that #6 & #24 are 'part numbers.  Measure the rope diameters that came in your kit with dial vernier calipers - if you don't have verniers, one would be a good investment for your toolbox.  See if Expo states the diameters.

Edited March 5 by Snug Harbor Johnny

[Kenchington]

I can't say what sizes came with your kit but full-size banks-dory beckets and painters were 2-inch diameter. That's 4.2 mm at the scale of your Midwest dory.

 

If that sounds excessive (and it should!), it was 2-inch when fitted. By the time that the beckets had been broken and worn on the hooks of the dory tackles, during a season of fishing, there was much, much less left to take the weight of the boat when hoisted aboard.

[GGibson]

On 3/5/2025 at 1:15 PM, Chuck Seiler said:

When I made the Pavel Nikitin "JOHN SMITH SHALLOP", I replaced the line with after market line.  Two GREAT sources are SYREN SHIPMODEL COMPANY and ROPES OF SCALE.  Both are MSW sponsors.

 

I'm a little late to the discussion, but I am just starting to rig the Pavel Nikitin Santa Maria, and in my first few cuts of his 0.45mm beige rope, the strands are unraveling on me as they are cut.  Not happy about that.  I previously used his thicker 1.3mm black rope and it was ok.

 

So, looks like I might be relying on my supply of Syren and Ropes of Scale inventories, as I have used them in the past with great success.

[Snug Harbor Johnny]

20 hours ago, GGibson said:

 

I'm a little late to the discussion, but I am just starting to rig the Pavel Nikitin Santa Maria, and in my first few cuts of his 0.45mm beige rope, the strands are unraveling on me as they are cut.  Not happy about that.  I previously used his thicker 1.3mm black rope and it was ok.

 

So, looks like I might be relying on my supply of Syren and Ropes of Scale inventories, as I have used them in the past with great success.

   The most durable scale ropes are likely those made with polyester thread - with Gutermann exhibiting the least amount of 'fuzz' at magnification.  BUT, after stretching (setting - a needed part of any rope making process) poly line needs to be "set" in a warm oven (320 degrees F) for 5 - 7 minutes.  Otherwise there can be unraveling when cut.  (If teased, any line can de-twist.)  Syren poly rope comes heat-set.  I'm presuming that Ropes of Scale is also set, but any batch of poly can be cut-tested and re-set if needed.

  Cotton line (properly laid and set) has less raveling, but is not ravel proof.  I don't know the composition of Nitkin rope, nor the lot-to-lot consistency (process control).